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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host

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and uh what uh what has happened in the

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last couple days can you

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believe it i just can't believe uh what

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has been going on

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um just amazing

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absolutely amazing i have never gotten

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more emails

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than i am getting now and uh

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i have to uh i have another tech problem

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i'm away from home i'm not sure what

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happened hang on just a second here

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something strange it's like the

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computer's been taken over this happened

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a couple weeks

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ago too i have no idea why these things

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are opening and it has to be

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uh just a bizarre situation why these

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things would open

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but anyway i'm so excited because we

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have just the right person here on the

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show to talk about it we have ralph

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blumenthal

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before i get into that quickly i want to

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talk about our blog this week

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and it's called ufos at

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uh no ufos

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science and controversy at the

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university of colorado

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and so check that out it's over another

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great blog by

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uh ralph i'm sorry bye boy i'm having a

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tough start

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by charles lear so check that out and we

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have ralph coming up

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and uh i'm getting all mixed up ralph

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you got to bail me out here

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that's millions that's millions yeah i

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know i had this happen a couple weeks

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ago something just started playing on my

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computer

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now this was like a music file just

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decided to pop up and start playing i

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have no idea why

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but you can't hear it over the radio but

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i certainly can hear it anyway

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welcome to the show thank you so much

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for uh and this short notice

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but wow uh amazing last 48 hours huh

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a lot's happened a busy week yep

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and uh and you you know a lot of people

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don't realize this but you know 60

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minutes goes on

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and you know my email everything lights

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text you name it and i'm sure that's

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happening to you because a lot of what

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they covered in the 60 minutes is

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something that you covered four years

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ago basically i mean there was a lot of

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repeat um but it it it's a vast audience

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and uh we're really there's a lot of

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changes happening when you agree with

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yeah absolutely i mean uh it's moved a

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2017 when we broke the story of the

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secret pentagon unit investigating you

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know ufos

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uaps whatever they want to call them now

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um so 60 minutes

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you know brought it to the fore again

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with somebody we interviewed a little

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bit after that ryan graves a fighter

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uh with some new information but um

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it's it's catching on no doubt about it

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i think one of the uh

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to me kind of the most profound

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statement that

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was made in that whole interview was

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when he said these things were happening

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now he may have mentioned that before

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it really hit um did he talk about that

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um and they were happening a lot then um

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of brought it up to date

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um but uh it was really you know more of

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he had told us originally that these

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you know seen from the nimitz that they

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uh they happened again with the

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2014 2015 so it's really

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that's right that's right and um and and

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the whole world

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seems to be a buzz i would like to read

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you this comment

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um from one of my longtime listeners

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um because it's not the only comment

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that i've

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received similar to this so here

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here it goes she wants to remain

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anonymous

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i write you out of frustration and

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astonishment regarding the amount of

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hatred toward

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lou elizondo leslie kane and aatip

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atip this week is historic for removing

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the stigma surrounding ufos

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never in my lifetime has mainstream

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media taking this phenomenon so

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but here it is a form of disclosure

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ezra klein's op-ed in the new york times

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the new yorker morning joe kumo prime

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time to name a few

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and so i go over to ufo updates on

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expecting folks to share their

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excitement regarding coverage

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but they're all i find all their

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grievances conspiracy theories

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to debunk other conspiracy theories and

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50 comments stating that there is no

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evidence

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that uh lou elizondo was head of atip

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never i've seen a group of people handed

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what they wanted for so long

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for ufos to be taken seriously and then

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griping about the messengers i'm truly

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godsmacked

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and thank you for your show i hope you

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might say a good word

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in this historic week for one i'm

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thinking about all the people who saw

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something

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they didn't understand in the skies but

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they could finally share

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their fear without fear of ridicule

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um so what do you think of that

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statement i've i've seen this in the ufo

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community a lot

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uh okay ralph it's your turn

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you froze there you you just froze sorry

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you're back

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okay i'm back um it is familiar to me

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because when leslie kane and i were

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we got a lot of negative comment on the

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internet

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and not from you know serious people but

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from people who

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like to hash these things over and

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who wondered why we weren't writing this

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um there was a lot of speculation of

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york times before we were ever you know

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um it's a very incestuous community

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it's the wild west as we know um we just

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the facts the story we continue to

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um there's a lot of negative uh

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you know vibes out there so i'm not

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terribly surprised there was a lot of um

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speculation that louis lozano wasn't who

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that he never you know headed atip it's

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all nonsense we confirmed it we put that

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we know exactly what his leadership role

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um we never would have put out the

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stories we put out starting in 2017 if

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hadn't you know fully documented his

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so uh there are people out there who

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love to you know make trouble

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and to you know foment insurrection

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whatever

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but we stick to the facts and and our

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our facts have not been questioned

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right and you know i i try to figure it

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out you know i personally

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am not that big on social media i kind

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of went off

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um almost completely like a year ago but

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i still have my show active you know on

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and twitter things like that but i try

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um that sideline of buzz

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because when i get if i get involved in

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some of those discussions

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um i start getting anxiety and i i just

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don't want to be bothered

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with uh some of the negativity i'm not

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saying it's all negative

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there's some really positive things too

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really um when it comes down to it yes

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say that you know there was uh and they

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thing they did kind of deflect it by

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wasn't part of this but later it was

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i believe even harry reid i believe

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you know martin i wrote a book on john

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mack the harvard psychiatrist who

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investigated alien abduction um and

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he dealt with this there's the book

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alien encounters hard science and the

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passion of john mack

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a believer uh he dealt with this uh he

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you know looking to understand these

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stories of people ordinary people with

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stupefying accounts of alien

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uh he never got to the bottom of it we

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we may or may never get to the bottom of

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but he he proceeded very methodically

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into checking out their stories

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listening to them

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um they were not publicity seekers they

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were not deranged

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you know they were children as young as

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two years old uh telling these stories

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so they were not

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you know echoing books they had read or

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movies they'd seen

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so this is not unfamiliar to me i've

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seen this happen

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you know with other stories i've covered

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for the new york times

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and certainly the story of john mack so

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there's some people who need to you know

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uh constantly raise questions for men

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things

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but as i say we we stuck to the facts we

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documented everything we said in the new

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york times was attributed

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um there were no anonymous sources um

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and i was glad to see the 60 minutes

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picked up the account of ryan graves

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um and dave fraver pilots who we'd

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interviewed and you know told their

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so um you can't get distracted by what's

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going on you know in the internet the

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uh that you know i don't know what some

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people have as a you know

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ruling emotion whatever but uh uh we

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just stick to the facts

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right um i thought that was great that

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alex

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um the um lady pilot decided to

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finally you know come forward i i had

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heard

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uh her first name only and i was

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thrilled to see that she

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actually felt comfortable alex dietrich

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the wingman wing man wing woman

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yep they fraver and to get she confirmed

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his account that they had seen

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something uh entering or exiting the

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water which is extraordinary because

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these things don't operate only in the

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skies they seem to operate underwater

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they have a multi-dimensional

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media capability

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so yeah and she confirmed that that's

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interesting what you know what nobody

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knows of course

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is what these things are but at least

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we've gotten to the point where we are

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acknowledging their physical reality in

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the pentagon more important than we

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uh the government the pentagon is

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acknowledging that these things

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exist in in reality um they have a

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physicality

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uh that was not acknowledged before that

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people were saying well their spiritual

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constructs their archetypes their

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you know imagined uh you know objects

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whatever

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now we know from you know the thermal

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imaging devices and the radar and the uh

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personal testimony of pilots like dave

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fravor and alex dietrich

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that these things are real

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yeah totally totally amazing

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and so someone had a someone had a

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question

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that um they wanted yeah i just had the

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music start to play on my computer again

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i have no idea what's going on

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um so the question that popped up here

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going back to the john mack book

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what was your biggest takeaway from your

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experience writing on the book

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of john mcmiles will ask that since we

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talked about your book a minute ago

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um yeah well uh the interesting thing is

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that

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uh as outlandish as these stories seem

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to be

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if people you know normal people

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encountering

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alien beings and being beamed up to

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their spacecraft or

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you know hybrid breeding and all these

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stories that are

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people told either both consciously and

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in hypnotic regression but but also

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consciously it's important to remember

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these were not suggestions planted by

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hypnotists these are things that

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to some extent they remembered um and it

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happened to them you know not only at

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night in their bedrooms in so-called

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dreams

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but uh driving their cars in one case

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a woman driving a snowmobile people

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walking

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you know by themselves with others um so

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the

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stories had a consistency

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um and yet different details that made

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them more

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uh credible in a way that they were not

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reading off some script these people

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and john mack just followed the the

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trail of evidence he said it's the kind

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of evidence that gets people convicted

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in court

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and executed uh it's anecdotal it's it's

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there is no proof i mean that we can

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come up with there's no

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acceptable there's no ashtray from a ufo

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there's no video of

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alien abductions and yet these accounts

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are so

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persistent and uh and so

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and told with such suitable affect you

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know people

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crying and they're weeping and they're

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cursing as they're recounting their

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experiences

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you know with these alien beings so um

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mac found them credible enough to uh you

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know to put in

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two books he wrote and that's my

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takeaway that there's something there

389
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it's interesting we don't know what it

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is just you know

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it hasn't reached the level of

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confirmation that we have with ufos

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that's for sure

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um but there's a lot of stuff out there

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that we don't understand

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that's right and if anyone's up you know

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watching this and you missed

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the show that ralph and i did together

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about his book and john mack you can go

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back on

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several i don't know how many episodes

402
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ago uh i think it was like uh

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four maybe five episodes ago you can

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check that out

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just one more uh mac question i want to

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get back quickly to the uh

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after this to where we're talking about

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uh will your work on mac lead you

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uh well well where will that lead you

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for

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uh upcoming work or is it going to uh

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you know there is no answer as i say at

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the end of the book um

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we don't know you know how to explain

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these uh

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amazing stories uh that are so real to

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the people who experienced them

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so i'm continuing to to look into them

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i've talked to some experiences just a

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few minutes ago i was actually

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i was on the phone with one of the

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experiences who had a very interesting

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story

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so there's a lot more to to write about

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i'm looking into it i don't know

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you know where we'll lead uh as i say i

427
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don't think we're going to solve that

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problem in the next

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few minutes or a few hours or few years

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but

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it is certainly intriguing and the

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number of people

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coming forward who have already come

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forward and continue

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to come forward with these stories and

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have these encounters

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is is extraordinary um so

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it is it's a constant obsession of mine

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now

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as it was for john mack um before he was

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run over in london and killed by a drunk

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driver

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uh he he was fascinated to get to and he

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was courageous enough to risk a

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uh professorship at harvard uh and a

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korean psychiatry to continue to ask

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these questions and he was investigated

448
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by harvard and they basically said there

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was

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no reason to discipline him in the end

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so it is it is an ongoing mystery

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right right getting back to the um 60

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minutes

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here's a question that came in and i'm

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not sure if you even know this i know

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you

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uh but the question is uh what was or

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is the buzz on the current ufo uap

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events with insiders of the new york

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times do you happen to know anything

461
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oh no i mean i'm not on the step anymore

462
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i left the staff in 2009 i continue to

463
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contribute articles not

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just on ufos but other subjects so i

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don't know you know what the buzz is at

466
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the new york times but

467
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you know we're very interested everyone

468
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at the new york times like you know

469
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other you know mainstream media and news

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outlets

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over the world are very interested in um

472
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:03,199
what's going on there is a

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report being prepared um

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by the uh unidentified aerial phenomenon

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task force

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uh who's the successor to atip um

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that is due next month i i think it may

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be

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left to investigate

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i don't know how how much will be

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classified how much will be open to the

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public

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uh so there's a lot of speculation

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including on the 60 minutes broadcast

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uh about this report and anticipation uh

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of it which is

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you know has to be delivered to congress

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at some point but

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um i think it would be very possible

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even likely

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for them to say uh you know we're not

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quite ready uh by the six-month deadline

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since the um defense authorization act

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was passed

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uh in december um that we need a little

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more time

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and uh always you know gives extra time

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for

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things like that so i wouldn't set my

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watch to next month's

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report yeah i i think i've mentioned

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that a couple times on this

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show that that's probably what's going

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to happen it's going to be extended but

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um how do you think the new the

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60 minutes episode on the uap

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um do you think that is going to cause

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more pressure for constituents of some

509
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of these people involved in the research

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to get in touch with them and say hey

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you know we watched 60 minutes

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and we saw marco rubio and and and all

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that what's going on you know do you

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think it's going to have

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an impact in any type of way well you

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know harry reid

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members of congress harry reid was

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majority leader democratic majority

519
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leader for many years

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have often said that there needs to be

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more courage in congress to step up and

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examine these issues there's very few

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people who have you know

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been coming out forward marco rubio is

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one

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uh but really very few people have

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made public comments on this which is

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quite striking because congress members

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of congress are not known

530
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for their shyness and reticence but this

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is one issue

532
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that really has them you know

533
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muffled um the the ridicule factor is

534
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still

535
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strong out there um but again

536
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increasingly

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the navy has stepped up and said we want

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our people to come forward and

539
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uh and report these uh observations

540
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these sightings this is something new

541
00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:37,919
actually since the new york times

542
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article came out in 2017

543
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right that ice has been broken and you

544
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know whereas in the past

545
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it was kind of a career and to admit

546
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that you as a navy as a sailor or

547
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jet pilot you know saw some of these

548
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anomalous things

549
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now the navy's saying we want it we want

550
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to collect this information so that's a

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big breakthrough

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but members of congress have not been

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notably forthcoming on this i think they

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don't see it

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as necessarily a career advancer

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it won't help them when they run for

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election and their opponent you know

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points them out

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and ridicules them so they need to be a

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little more

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uh forthcoming and to just ask the

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questions you know

563
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nobody has the answers but ask the

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questions you know what information

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has been collected already by the

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government you know by the pentagon

567
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you know kind of along those lines but

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and i believe is

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you know in your last or one of your

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last articles the question up here is

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00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,919
there any follow-up at all in the meta

572
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:41,039
material

573
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:45,200
um from the new york times article

574
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:48,400
it's a very difficult area of reportage

575
00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:49,039
because

576
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:52,080
it's highly classified uh we wrote about

577
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,120
as much as

578
00:20:57,750 --> 00:20:55,840
as we could and you know you talk about

579
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:57,760
the chatter on the internet we were

580
00:21:01,990 --> 00:21:00,000
the subject of a lot of speculation we

581
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,000
the new york times leslie kane and i

582
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,400
a lot of speculation uh why isn't the

583
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:06,159
times reporting this and why don't they

584
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:06,960
say this

585
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,039
and we report as much as we can confirm

586
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:11,039
and we can put on the record

587
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:12,240
from people who are willing to have

588
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,679
their names attached to a story we're

589
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:16,080
not going to report anonymous stuff uh

590
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,919
rumors of speculation which you can do

591
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,520
easily on the internet but we don't do

592
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:20,880
it in the new york times

593
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,600
so um we haven't done it in the other

594
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:25,760
ufo stories we really stuck to what we

595
00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,159
can

596
00:21:31,029 --> 00:21:29,120
you know attribute to people with

597
00:21:34,149 --> 00:21:31,039
knowledge

598
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,159
so we reported as much as we could that

599
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:35,679
members of congress and congressional

600
00:21:42,390 --> 00:21:37,760
committees were briefed

601
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:42,400
on some reported recoveries of materials

602
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:44,480
possible crash recoveries we reported

603
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:45,760
that um

604
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:48,080
the materials were being analyzed

605
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,039
according to

606
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,039
the briefings to congressional

607
00:21:55,750 --> 00:21:52,960
committees um

608
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:55,760
more than that uh we don't we don't know

609
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:56,400
to the

610
00:22:03,029 --> 00:21:59,760
paper so stay tuned

611
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:03,039
i mean it's obviously a matter of great

612
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:03,840
interest

613
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,440
it's a cutting it's at the cutting edge

614
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,679
of the story um

615
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:09,679
but uh you know we're not going to go

616
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:12,799
off and and speculate and spout off on

617
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:14,559
on rumors

618
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,080
right yeah um

619
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:20,159
yeah someone just wrote about the uh the

620
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:21,280
internet uh

621
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,679
about the rumors um that are going

622
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:25,520
around i haven't looked into them

623
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:29,120
myself uh too much but um you know one

624
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:30,960
of the questions that comes up

625
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:33,919
a lot when people will email me and say

626
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:35,440
hey look you know i just saw this or

627
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,480
whatever and

628
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,000
listened to one of your shows and you

629
00:22:43,350 --> 00:22:40,000
know a lot of new people are listening

630
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,360
um but they asked me um you know it's

631
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,200
are there more videos do you think the

632
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,799
the videos and i forgot i had lou

633
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,159
elzonda one last week

634
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,640
i forgot to ask him his opinion of the

635
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,039
videos out there do you think we will

636
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:55,600
actually have more release or do you

637
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:56,400
think

638
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,360
you know any part of this uh would be

639
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,200
subject to something that the task force

640
00:23:04,390 --> 00:23:02,480
might eventually

641
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,400
um you know be involved in releasing i

642
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,720
mean we we at the new york times put out

643
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,960
three navy videos which are getting

644
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,039
still getting tremendous exposure even

645
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,880
on 60 minutes that's all they show

646
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:15,919
are these navy videos now several more

647
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:17,919
have come out more recently

648
00:23:23,350 --> 00:23:21,280
um so there are definitely more videos

649
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,360
no doubt about it and there are longer

650
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:25,280
segments of the videos than what we were

651
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,080
able to

652
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,280
to put out um they're much longer and

653
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:31,280
more detailed and more complete

654
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,559
so um but they're i don't know how many

655
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,400
are classified but they're certainly not

656
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:37,840
in the public domain

657
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,960
as the ones we were able to put out on

658
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:41,919
the new york times

659
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,440
web um so they're definitely more videos

660
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:47,200
uh i'm sure they're very interesting

661
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:49,200
videos um

662
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,039
is when the government will see fit to

663
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,720
to put them out uh will

664
00:23:56,230 --> 00:23:54,720
will they be put out as part of the uap

665
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:56,240
report um

666
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:59,039
that remains to be seen you know one of

667
00:24:02,390 --> 00:24:00,000
the things even though

668
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:02,400
i i already knew this but it was it

669
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:03,600
still kind of hit me

670
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:06,559
when i'm watching this 60-minute segment

671
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,279
is

672
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:10,400
the fact that uh you know alex the

673
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,440
pilot said well i can talk about this

674
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,840
um because it's not classified and it

675
00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:16,960
it's kind of like

676
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:19,360
oh yeah that's not classified but it

677
00:24:23,590 --> 00:24:20,880
almost seems like

678
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,600
why wasn't that classified i mean it was

679
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:25,840
such an extraordinary event

680
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,919
it just in a way it's kind of baffling

681
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,520
why that was never classified

682
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:31,919
well the better question martin is why

683
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:32,720
is so much

684
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,600
declassified this is our tax dollars

685
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,360
going into trump

686
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:39,120
we pay for the training of these pilots

687
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:41,360
we pay for these you know multi-million

688
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,840
billion dollar ships and planes

689
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:46,559
um so this is all collected on our money

690
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,120
and

691
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:49,440
who is not entitled to this if not the

692
00:24:53,990 --> 00:24:50,799
american people

693
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:54,000
um so you could say certain things

694
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,600
need to be classified because we don't

695
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:57,760
want our adversaries to know

696
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,159
uh how advanced our technology is and

697
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:01,840
what we know about this advanced

698
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,600
technology let's say we're trying to

699
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:05,120
reverse engineer

700
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,880
uh some of these you know ufos or uaps

701
00:25:14,029 --> 00:25:11,520
um how far have we gotten into you know

702
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:14,039
cloaking and you know

703
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,360
hypersonic speeds and

704
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:20,240
you know all these advanced technologies

705
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:21,600
that's a legitimate

706
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:26,159
perhaps almost certainly a legitimate

707
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,360
area for classification um

708
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,919
but what we have photographed and what

709
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,960
we have

710
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,559
you know gotten on thermal imaging

711
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,159
devices and

712
00:25:43,669 --> 00:25:39,919
radar um certainly more of that

713
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,679
deserves to be made public absolutely

714
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,080
ralph thank you so much and again you

715
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,080
know check out his book

716
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,919
um you probably have a copy right in

717
00:25:53,669 --> 00:25:51,360
front of you don't you you can put up

718
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,679
or not i have this one right here nope

719
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,320
in the back the believer

720
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,080
alien encounters hard science and the

721
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,760
passion of john mack about a harvard

722
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:01,840
psychiatrist who was not afraid

723
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,200
to ask the tough questions excellent

724
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:07,120
well thanks again as always it's great

725
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:08,240
talking to you ralph

726
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,679
take care and i'm sure you're going to

727
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:12,320
be very busy in the next few days

728
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,840
thank you all right appreciate all right

729
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:16,159
take care all right everyone so our

730
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,720
guest

731
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:19,039
is all the way from down under and uh

732
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,720
he's in the future he's on

733
00:26:25,510 --> 00:26:22,799
it's wednesday morning in australia

734
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:25,520
welcome to the show damian

735
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:28,960
thank you for having me on yes damian so

736
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:31,919
i have seen a couple of movies that uh

737
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:32,240
you

738
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,720
in um

739
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,279
uh how many are there that you're in

740
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:40,880
there's quite a few you're featured in

741
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,520
right

742
00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:43,520
australian skies what are some other

743
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:44,640
ones

744
00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:46,960
uh there's beyond the spectrum fractured

745
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,039
realities part one two and three

746
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,600
uh there's a couple canadian ones coming

747
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,480
out this year

748
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,679
um an american one as well um and also

749
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:58,000
haunted skies is coming up which is one

750
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,799
of my

751
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,559
little personal babies i'm working been

752
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:02,880
working on for a while now so

753
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,080
yeah yeah and let's uh for the person

754
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,279
that doesn't know

755
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,240
anything at all about you uh you know

756
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:11,919
you can look online of course

757
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,240
and uh you happen to be one of these

758
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:16,240
people that have filmed

759
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,640
a bunch of things and so um why you why

760
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,399
are you able to see all these things

761
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:25,120
and why do you suppose that you're able

762
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:25,520
to

763
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,000
summon these things but you have a

764
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,520
you're not the only one that has said

765
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:33,520
this um

766
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,520
i heard you say that you have this

767
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,640
feeling

768
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,880
and i've talked to other people that say

769
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,480
exactly the same thing they have this

770
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:41,279
feeling

771
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,840
so they go outside and sure enough

772
00:27:47,669 --> 00:27:45,200
there's something there

773
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:47,679
so so let's talk about how it all

774
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:48,320
started

775
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,760
and and and how this all happened

776
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,080
yeah sure um well for me it started when

777
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,399
i was nine years old 33 years ago

778
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,799
um i witnessed a red ball of light that

779
00:28:02,389 --> 00:28:00,480
was following me on the way home

780
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,399
on a sunday i just seen my friend and i

781
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,679
was late home so

782
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,760
i just looked up and i just saw this red

783
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:08,159
ball i might have been maybe 15

784
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,279
feet maybe 20 feet above me probably the

785
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:13,039
size of a basketball maybe a little bit

786
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:13,679
larger

787
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:16,000
and it was just a brilliant red color i

788
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,039
still remember it

789
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:19,840
uh quite clearly uh and after about a

790
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,600
minute and a half of it following me

791
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,000
it seemed to be mimicking my movements

792
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,080
almost which was really strange and

793
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,000
even as a kid i knew that wasn't normal

794
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:30,000
obviously but i got home and i told my

795
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,799
mum about it

796
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:33,760
and i was really excited and she um said

797
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:34,559
no it was just an

798
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:35,919
airplane it was probably just an

799
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:37,600
airplane straightaway so

800
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:39,360
even from the age of nine i started

801
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,640
getting interested in the

802
00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:43,520
the topic and then when i was 12 i had a

803
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,080
sighting of another red ball of light

804
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:47,520
and i was camping out with my step

805
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:49,360
brothers at the time and we were just

806
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,399
looking up at the sky

807
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,080
and it was a hot summer night and um

808
00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:53,600
we're just in the backyard you know

809
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:55,360
basically and a red light just started

810
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,799
getting bigger and bigger and it

811
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:58,559
seemed to be dropping down from the sky

812
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,399
almost and then all of a sudden the

813
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:02,320
blue lights come in and started chasing

814
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,240
the red light around the sky and

815
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,159
doing all these maneuvers and and

816
00:29:10,149 --> 00:29:08,399
another yellowy green colored bike came

817
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:10,159
in and started doing the same thing so

818
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,799
these two

819
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,559
colored lights were chasing this red

820
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,720
ball of light all around the sky and

821
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,799
doing all sorts and stopping and with no

822
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,240
forward inertia then

823
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,080
going you know a 90 degree left-hand

824
00:29:23,269 --> 00:29:21,679
turn or a right-hand turn or something

825
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:23,279
and then doing the same in this part of

826
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,159
the sky and

827
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:26,640
went on for about a good 10 maybe 15

828
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,520
minutes it was

829
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:28,880
one of my longest sightings i've ever

830
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:30,640
had in my life and

831
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,559
you know my father witnessed it as well

832
00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:34,080
um you know we called him outside i

833
00:29:37,029 --> 00:29:35,440
didn't even realize at the time i just

834
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:37,039
had my eyes peeled on the sky but

835
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,240
apparently he saw it too

836
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,399
and you know my brother saw it and even

837
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:42,159
to this day we still talk about it every

838
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:43,440
time we catch up so

839
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:44,720
you know it was one of those things that

840
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:47,360
really affected all of us and um

841
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:49,760
but me it set me on um kind of a mission

842
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,200
to find out what it was

843
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:52,960
and you know what what i'd experience

844
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,279
the the three years prior as well

845
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,760
by myself and um so i started you know

846
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,200
borrowing all the books i could and

847
00:30:02,070 --> 00:30:00,480
libraries and

848
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,080
you know from the school and everything

849
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,919
from friends and anything about

850
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,080
you know mysteries and trying to find

851
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:08,240
out what it was you know and um and

852
00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:09,120
still and

853
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:11,279
probably over my lifetime i you know

854
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:12,640
read most of the books that are out

855
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,600
there good deals

856
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:15,760
at least um and i'd probably had about

857
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:17,520
maybe just 10 to 15

858
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:19,440
sightings over my entire lifetime up

859
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:21,360
until 10 years ago

860
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,480
uh or nine years ago now back in 2012

861
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:27,120
when i moved up to the country here and

862
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,520
um

863
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,520
and started seeing these white balls of

864
00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:31,440
light hovering over people's homes and

865
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,200
moving over them slowly and doing all

866
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:35,200
sorts of absolutely incredible things in

867
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:36,480
the sky and

868
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:38,080
similar things to what i'd seen over my

869
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,840
lifetime a few times

870
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:41,840
so i started uh getting some camera

871
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,279
equipment together and

872
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,600
trying to record what i was seeing and

873
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:48,080
so i could show people the evidence and

874
00:30:51,269 --> 00:30:49,279
eventually i started getting a few

875
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,279
captures and whatnot

876
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,480
but it started um peaking at one point

877
00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:56,480
and um so i called the ufo group from

878
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,480
sydney ufo research new south wales and

879
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:00,640
they sent investigators up and

880
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:03,200
um all eight investigators they i mean

881
00:31:05,430 --> 00:31:04,640
they brought family up with them and

882
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,440
everything and

883
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:07,519
they witnessed ufos go over their house

884
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,600
the very minute they rocked up into town

885
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:10,960
here in the afternoon

886
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,000
still daytime and witnessed a massive uh

887
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:16,240
like a almost like a old-school

888
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,919
hollywood flying saucer except you

889
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,600
wouldn't see any dome or anything just

890
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:22,240
it was covered in an orange glow just

891
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,080
slowly gliding over the house

892
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:26,080
the second elite investigator rocked up

893
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,000
in town so they were all blown away and

894
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,919
the following night they witnessed ufos

895
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,279
as well that would stop when

896
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,720
a torch was shown on them and then

897
00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:34,480
they'd the colors would disappear and

898
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,720
we'll just hang there in the sky

899
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:38,799
so um and then sun herald journalists

900
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:41,360
saw it as well um who were in town and

901
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:44,320
you know so most of the people who came

902
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,919
into town witnessed stuff we had people

903
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,519
coming from all around australia then

904
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,200
when they put that in the newspaper that

905
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,960
they witnessed two ufos above the

906
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:52,240
property here

907
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:54,240
um and so people coming from everywhere

908
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,360
to see it

909
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:58,320
so for i um over the last decade i've

910
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,360
invested in about

911
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,679
you know 60 different cameras trying to

912
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:03,279
work out you know what looks like what

913
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:04,799
what a misidentification

914
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,159
that kind of thing trying to teach

915
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,080
myself and learn about photography

916
00:32:11,669 --> 00:32:09,919
basically a major crash course in

917
00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,679
photography so

918
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,320
well let's talk about some of the

919
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,679
misidentifications what what are

920
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:18,080
often that you know that you have

921
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:19,760
figured out to be something

922
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,840
you know like a weather balloon let's

923
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,200
just say i'm not saying that

924
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:25,760
but i mean have you figured out oh oh i

925
00:32:29,509 --> 00:32:28,240
see this is something else on some of

926
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,519
these yeah

927
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,600
yeah there's weather balloons there's

928
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:34,399
planes at a distance leaving contrails

929
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,200
there's

930
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,279
clouds even that can appear like you

931
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,120
know lenticular clouds and others can

932
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,480
appear like um

933
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,960
ufos from a distance there's contrails

934
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,480
from a distance can appear really

935
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,440
strange

936
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:48,080
um you know there's lens flares there's

937
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,960
birds

938
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,360
bugs insects of all different types that

939
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:52,880
flies throughout sky

940
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,440
you know then you've got your nighttime

941
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:56,159
misidentifications you've got your

942
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,480
your flash being used on your camera and

943
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,480
people picking up bits of dust or pollen

944
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:02,960
or moisture in the you know around and

945
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,120
saying that they're ufos or their aliens

946
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,480
or their spiritual

947
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:08,480
beings or their dead family members or

948
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,519
something and

949
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,600
in reality people are just filming and

950
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:12,559
photographing

951
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:15,440
um insects and bugs and stuff you know a

952
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,320
lot of people just

953
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,000
will put the camera to the sky and take

954
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,600
three or four photos in a row and then

955
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:21,440
one of those photos you'll see something

956
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,840
little

957
00:33:26,710 --> 00:33:24,320
black and streaking across and instantly

958
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,720
oh it's gotten a lot of people and

959
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,799
and me at the start even as well like a

960
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,559
decade ago i was making mistakes and

961
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,840
that's why i was like okay

962
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:33,600
you've got to learn from this you you

963
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,559
know you you need to um and and i notice

964
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,480
a lot of people in the ufo field would

965
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:40,720
present those types of things as

966
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,120
evidences though they were special or

967
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:45,360
they were you know jesus or they were

968
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:47,760
in contact with gods or aliens or this

969
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:49,760
or that and they present as evidence a

970
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,240
bird

971
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:52,720
flying across and you know it's hardly

972
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:53,279
evidence

973
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:56,159
it's um you know it sort of puts a nail

974
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:56,640
in the

975
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,519
the ufology coffin so to speak whenever

976
00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,720
you know this stuff sort of gets

977
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,360
debunked

978
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,080
so i uh i started up a website and i

979
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:05,760
decided to show all the different types

980
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,440
of misidentifications and

981
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:09,440
i would go into different areas where

982
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,200
there'd be heaps of dust or pollen or

983
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,879
this or that or i'd photograph birds

984
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,480
flying on purpose or i'd

985
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,720
sit there and wait and patiently try and

986
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:18,960
photograph a fly or a bug or an insect

987
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:19,520
and

988
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:21,040
just on different multiple different

989
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,800
cameras i could work out what they look

990
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,240
like on different formats

991
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,760
different quality cameras different

992
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,359
price ranges you know

993
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,679
um just to teach myself and hopefully to

994
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,800
teach others as well

995
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:33,520
so it was the idea in the first place

996
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,000
yeah

997
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:37,200
i i've seen some pictures of birds

998
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:39,119
that you know people snap and not even

999
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:40,399
see the bird in there and

1000
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:42,399
when you first look at it it does look

1001
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:44,399
like almost like a saucer shape or

1002
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:45,359
something i mean

1003
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,280
it's just the angle and the way their

1004
00:34:52,310 --> 00:34:49,040
wings are and the whole thing

1005
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:52,320
um you know if you snap it just right um

1006
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:55,359
it can yeah it can fool you it can and i

1007
00:34:58,069 --> 00:34:56,079
understand

1008
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:58,079
you know yeah the angles it's all about

1009
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,320
the lighting it's all about the

1010
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:02,160
shutter speed on the camera the quality

1011
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,440
of the camera it's a whole bunch of

1012
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,280
different factors the sensor

1013
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,520
um it can and add to that effect of it

1014
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:08,880
looking like a ufo

1015
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,119
so yeah um what about like night vision

1016
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:16,160
do you ever take any like night vision

1017
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:19,839
uh films of something you see

1018
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:23,599
and and how does that come out uh grainy

1019
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:27,520
a lot of the time the more you zoom in

1020
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:27,760
on

1021
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,160
obviously in the quality and how much

1022
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:33,680
you're willing to spend and everything

1023
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,000
and

1024
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:35,599
but i mean we've been capturing some

1025
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:37,599
really good night vision footage here

1026
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:40,640
um i use an igen 2020 myself

1027
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,720
which is one of the only ones that can

1028
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,160
actually enable a video

1029
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:46,640
output so you can make the actual and it

1030
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:47,839
records to a

1031
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,480
sd card as well but you can actually get

1032
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,480
better quality recording to an external

1033
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:54,240
output device and recording from that

1034
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,440
device so

1035
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,440
it's it's it's pretty decent you know so

1036
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:59,040
anyone who's looking to get one i get

1037
00:36:00,710 --> 00:36:00,320
asked that a lot of time a lot of the

1038
00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:00,720
time

1039
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,720
um what's a great one a good one to get

1040
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,800
the igen 2020 but

1041
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:07,119
we've been capturing stuff like um ufos

1042
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,160
coming down

1043
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,160
changing angles from the sky from up

1044
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:12,640
high changing angles then stopping above

1045
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:13,920
a mountain range

1046
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,960
and then flying at an even more solid um

1047
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,200
sharper angle down into the mountain and

1048
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,800
disappeared completely

1049
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,480
and i've got multiple bits of footage of

1050
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,240
this happening over a

1051
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,160
nine month period now which is really

1052
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:28,480
strange in this one area which is

1053
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,240
in in the town here which is really

1054
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,839
bizarre so yeah

1055
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:34,640
it's a very strange town you do so yeah

1056
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:36,320
i'd like to talk a little bit about the

1057
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,680
town just to let the

1058
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,720
um youtube person know that we're gonna

1059
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:42,960
be playing a video in a minute and

1060
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,720
and uh damian's gonna more or less not

1061
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,920
um narrate um what what we're seeing

1062
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,839
but and also if you're listening to this

1063
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:53,520
as an audio podcast uh

1064
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:56,400
we'll uh we'll try to link that um so

1065
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,000
you can see just that part of it

1066
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,640
in the show notes so let's talk about

1067
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:02,320
the town why is it

1068
00:37:05,829 --> 00:37:04,480
you know you but you actually had

1069
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:05,839
sightings

1070
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:09,040
there which is

1071
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:11,359
kind of unusual then you move to this

1072
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,400
town

1073
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,640
have uh so let's talk about it

1074
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,680
historically

1075
00:37:19,510 --> 00:37:17,760
were people talking about seeing things

1076
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,520
before you moved there

1077
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,280
a number of people actually have seen

1078
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:23,839
things here but it's a very small town

1079
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,480
there's about 750 people or something so

1080
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,880
everybody knows everybody and so yeah

1081
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:31,280
it's not ufos are not exactly a subject

1082
00:37:34,550 --> 00:37:32,560
you know that everyone wants to talk

1083
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:34,560
about openly around here you don't want

1084
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:34,960
to be

1085
00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:36,800
sort of as a crazy person i don't care

1086
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:39,040
myself but you know i can understand why

1087
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,079
other people would

1088
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,720
but um yeah a lot of people do under the

1089
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:44,079
under the table they'll talk to you

1090
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,640
about the

1091
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,400
what they've seen here in town and a lot

1092
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:48,400
of people are seeing these orange balls

1093
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,040
of light

1094
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:51,040
the white balls light and the red balls

1095
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,480
are light around the town here and

1096
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:54,240
that's predominantly what's being seen

1097
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,079
and also blue cigar kind of looking

1098
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,240
long elongated things and white

1099
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,079
elongated looking things as well

1100
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,800
um like cigar cigar-shaped objects or

1101
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:06,640
type of uap whatever

1102
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,880
um so that's predominantly what we see

1103
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,320
um and also

1104
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:11,920
but what i've noticed about this town

1105
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,240
has a very strange geological makeup

1106
00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:16,000
um in the ground there's a lot of quartz

1107
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:18,000
crystal massive quartz crystal veins

1108
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,079
running through the entire town

1109
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,240
right out to the farms on the outside of

1110
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:23,920
town out here

1111
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:27,040
and also it's one of the areas that also

1112
00:38:32,069 --> 00:38:29,920
is heavy with iron stone

1113
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,079
and i know that other areas um in

1114
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:34,000
america that have iron ore

1115
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,760
and other types of crystals like

1116
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,119
wordsight crystal

1117
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:39,680
or not quartz crystal do also seem to

1118
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:40,560
have um

1119
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,000
unusual activity in the area and here um

1120
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,240
we seem to have very unusual storm

1121
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,480
activity storms that very rarely come

1122
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:50,400
into the town they just sit on the one

1123
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:50,960
spot

1124
00:38:55,510 --> 00:38:53,599
on the edge of town with dramatic

1125
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:55,520
lightning effects constantly i mean they

1126
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,839
don't

1127
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,920
seem to move past they just hit the one

1128
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:00,000
spot and there's one place in esperance

1129
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,280
um here in western australia over here

1130
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,520
uh that has the same iron stone and the

1131
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:07,280
same quartz crystal content in the

1132
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,119
ground in this one place

1133
00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,800
um and they and the same thing happens

1134
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,720
with storms over there as well they seem

1135
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,400
to stop on the one area

1136
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,079
and constantly strike the ground where

1137
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:17,839
the iron stone and the quartz crystal

1138
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,720
are so

1139
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,400
wherever that has something to do with

1140
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,240
um why a lot of people are seeing these

1141
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:24,320
strange lights or phenomenon here in the

1142
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,119
town here

1143
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:27,359
who really knows but it's a very strange

1144
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:28,320
it's a

1145
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,359
into because um

1146
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:33,520
you know it's i i'm not a person who

1147
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,440
just thinks that these things are just

1148
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:37,440
coming here from another planet and

1149
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,960
they're just constantly coming backwards

1150
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,640
and forwards taking a bit of soil

1151
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,720
you know abducting a human or doing it

1152
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,079
once every now and then

1153
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,839
i think that they're here they're around

1154
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,520
us they're natural

1155
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:49,520
um you know i call the phenomenon

1156
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,640
paranatural

1157
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:52,800
phenomenon um myself because i believe

1158
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:54,160
it's natural i believe it's

1159
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,000
inherent to the universe it's all around

1160
00:40:00,630 --> 00:39:59,040
us and possibly dark matter as well is

1161
00:40:00,950 --> 00:40:00,640
possibly where these things are coming

1162
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,960
from

1163
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,520
or possibly existing in um other

1164
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:05,119
dimensions or you know these are just

1165
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,400
human terms for

1166
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,400
these things but they they seem to be

1167
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,240
all coming from the same place

1168
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,560
as well as paranormal phenomenon here on

1169
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:14,640
this earth as well they seem to register

1170
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,920
at the same um

1171
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:17,359
you know they affect the arithmetic

1172
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,280
magnetic field they're visible

1173
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,560
to uh infrared at fully modified uh full

1174
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:24,480
spectrum cameras as well

1175
00:40:28,390 --> 00:40:27,040
where they can be naked to the human eye

1176
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,400
they can't be seen

1177
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,560
um and also you know they seem to

1178
00:40:35,589 --> 00:40:32,480
disappear and reappear in

1179
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:35,599
very similar ways as well and there's a

1180
00:40:40,870 --> 00:40:38,880
associated with smells high strangeness

1181
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:40,880
um you know and and i'm sure you're

1182
00:40:44,230 --> 00:40:43,119
aware of john keel and his work you know

1183
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,240
the mothman prophecy

1184
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,079
and all that stuff and the high

1185
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:47,920
strangeness stuff that he got into you

1186
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:48,400
know

1187
00:40:52,630 --> 00:40:50,000
i've experienced a lot of that weird

1188
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,640
stuff as well as when you're getting a

1189
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:55,440
and a lot of action in the area or

1190
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:56,800
you're having a bit of a hot spot

1191
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,560
occasion you know once every couple of

1192
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,160
months whatever it might go off for

1193
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,440
two or three days um you'll also

1194
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,040
be having so when you're having action

1195
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,880
up in the sky we'll also be having

1196
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,560
strange things happening in the house

1197
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,839
um electrical things happening um also

1198
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,920
you know um weird things happening with

1199
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,760
mobile phones weird things happening

1200
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,560
with um

1201
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:19,680
communicating with people uh with uh

1202
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,720
things flying off shelves you know

1203
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,480
things disappearing completely then

1204
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:26,400
ending up in the weirdest places and

1205
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:27,839
just some real strange things

1206
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,040
seeing my father as well has seen uh

1207
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:33,280
these things these black things go

1208
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,800
behind me

1209
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,200
while we've been eating you know um and

1210
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:38,880
he's all we've also seen

1211
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,079
this white figure glide down the hallway

1212
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:44,640
um like it's leaning forward and fly

1213
00:41:48,069 --> 00:41:45,200
into

1214
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,079
my father's room i mean stuff like that

1215
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,839
is really crazy and when i told my

1216
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,839
father that he said you know thank you

1217
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,359
why is that he goes because i saw that

1218
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:55,359
thing at the foot of my bed

1219
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:57,920
um something glowing and it glided down

1220
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,680
the side of his bed and just stood there

1221
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:01,599
and it was up off the floor apparently

1222
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,960
it was some kind of figure i couldn't

1223
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,960
see a face or anything but

1224
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,800
really strange things you know like that

1225
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,079
so um

1226
00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,240
you know an analogy i like to use you

1227
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:12,000
know if you're a ufo hunter and you see

1228
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,040
a ball of light

1229
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,480
you know floating around inside your

1230
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:16,560
home you're likely to call it a ghost if

1231
00:42:23,990 --> 00:42:16,880
you

1232
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:24,000
min light or a mystery light like what

1233
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,440
you guys over in america will call them

1234
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,119
like the martha lights in texas and

1235
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:29,359
other lights over there

1236
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:32,079
and if you're a ufologist and you see a

1237
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,520
ball of light in the sky you're more

1238
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,280
likely to call it a ufo

1239
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,760
so i mean the same old similar kind of

1240
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,119
phenomenon is occurring

1241
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:42,480
in homes on the land

1242
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,800
in the oceans and up above us and all

1243
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:46,560
around us so i believe that it's

1244
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,920
inherent it's natural

1245
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,000
just because we can't see it um i

1246
00:42:53,430 --> 00:42:51,839
believe that yeah it's around us at all

1247
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:53,440
times and they're around us

1248
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,040
whatever they whatever they are they can

1249
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:56,640
come in and out whenever they want

1250
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:59,520
so yeah yeah it's it's a mystery you

1251
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,480
know and

1252
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:03,040
and times like this make you wonder like

1253
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:04,319
all these different things that you're

1254
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,440
mentioning

1255
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:08,000
and also you know we can only see in a

1256
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,480
certain spectrum there's a lot of things

1257
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,760
we cannot see and a lot of things around

1258
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:15,040
us we cannot sense

1259
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:17,599
in in so many ways but you know the new

1260
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:18,720
technology

1261
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,200
does change that a bit you know where uh

1262
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,760
we have ways of filming things and

1263
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:26,480
and and seeing things you know i mean

1264
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:27,520
just for instance

1265
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:30,079
you know the night vision alone you know

1266
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:32,000
is pretty amazing we would have never

1267
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:33,359
thought about that you know many years

1268
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:35,440
ago that we'd be able to film anything

1269
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,160
like that

1270
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:39,119
i'm going to run the video and the just

1271
00:43:43,510 --> 00:43:40,240
to tell the uh

1272
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,520
listener the video is uh basically of

1273
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:45,119
you taking pictures but i'd like for you

1274
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,760
to just

1275
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:47,119
kind of let everyone know what we're

1276
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:48,400
seeing here i'm going to start it right

1277
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,960
now here it goes

1278
00:43:54,309 --> 00:43:52,800
sure these are just some photographs

1279
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,319
that have been taken i just put them in

1280
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,760
a small compilation

1281
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,400
this one here was a an orange ball of

1282
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,079
light and it was actually um

1283
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,319
overtire in new south wales when i moved

1284
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,000
away from the country here

1285
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,560
a decade ago i went to this place and

1286
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:08,319
it's another country place that

1287
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:09,680
a lot of people are seeing strange

1288
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,000
lights and other phenomena there

1289
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,520
so what we're looking at right now is a

1290
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:15,200
several photographs right i mean

1291
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:16,640
pictures that you took

1292
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:19,599
these aren't this is not a video no this

1293
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,319
is not a

1294
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:22,480
it's actually made into a video um but

1295
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,560
it's 211

1296
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,960
high-speed sequence photographs stitched

1297
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,359
together to basically make a movie

1298
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:31,599
so at the time when i saw it the first

1299
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,119
time i i just started taking

1300
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,200
normally i take photographs and a movie

1301
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:36,960
but you don't know how long a ufo

1302
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,079
sightings kind of last

1303
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:40,160
so i just um continued taking

1304
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:41,280
photographs of it

1305
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,880
i was lucky enough to to be able to

1306
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,319
capture it you know

1307
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:47,040
these 211 are high quality photographs

1308
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:48,640
too so when you actually zoom in on the

1309
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,680
photos you can see

1310
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,560
smaller orange spheres of light dancing

1311
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:54,400
around this larger sphere which is quite

1312
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,920
incredible that was witnessed by three

1313
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,040
people

1314
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,720
that almost this one almost looks like

1315
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:01,119
the tic tac ufo

1316
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,520
yeah a few people have said that yeah

1317
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:04,560
it's um

1318
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,400
kind of a tic tac thing yeah i've seen

1319
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:07,839
them a few times um

1320
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,760
around here especially above that

1321
00:45:13,030 --> 00:45:10,880
mountain range

1322
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,040
which is really strange and one of the

1323
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,280
the infrared videos i have is one of

1324
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:17,280
those tic tac things diving into the

1325
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:18,079
mountain range

1326
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:19,760
without causing any disturbance

1327
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,760
whatsoever a lot of these other

1328
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,000
uh captures these photographs are just

1329
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,640
ones some of them are taken from video

1330
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,960
some of them are just simple photographs

1331
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:31,119
but most of them i have video of

1332
00:45:36,790 --> 00:45:35,040
as well and uh yeah red balls of light

1333
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,800
orange balls of light with

1334
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:39,680
seemingly with fields around them which

1335
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,160
is

1336
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,880
really strange i'm lucky to have

1337
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,359
captured what i've captured here

1338
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:47,280
know a lot of them seem to be quite shy

1339
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:49,040
these ufos you know

1340
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:50,480
as soon as they see you coming they'll

1341
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,480
um get ready to take off

1342
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,760
a lot of them don't want you to film

1343
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:56,160
them and some don't really seem to care

1344
00:46:01,030 --> 00:45:56,800
too much

1345
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:01,040
and it's really strange um

1346
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,319
yeah i was just gonna say there's an

1347
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:04,000
airplane in the last shot that just was

1348
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,960
up there

1349
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,640
yeah yeah that was another one where i

1350
00:46:10,950 --> 00:46:08,880
got um multiple dozens of photographs of

1351
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:10,960
this object uh with a plane flying

1352
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:11,920
straight by it

1353
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,920
and um the object just hovering

1354
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,119
perfectly still

1355
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:18,079
um three balls of light stuck together

1356
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,800
it seems

1357
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:21,200
um we i've captured quite a few of them

1358
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:21,920
so

1359
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,680
a lot of these are taken from video as

1360
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,400
well um there's a helicopter in that one

1361
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,079
which was circling this object

1362
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,920
this ball of light that was bright as

1363
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,920
anything and um moving through the sky

1364
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:34,800
doing really short maneuvers um but it

1365
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,880
was leaving like a kind of residue in

1366
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:38,400
the sky behind it

1367
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,119
and i've seen this multiple times now

1368
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,000
before and the

1369
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:44,160
residue dissipates quite quick quite

1370
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,119
fast so

1371
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,440
the um whatever it is is really strange

1372
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,440
um you know we've seen him like um

1373
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,480
shoot out small balls of almost like a

1374
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:54,800
what you think is a solid ball but then

1375
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:55,760
it dissipates

1376
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:59,520
into the sky um other videos i i have of

1377
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:00,960
these uh white

1378
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,319
uh spherical um balls uh some of them

1379
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,920
even look like footballs moving through

1380
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:07,599
the sky with um

1381
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:10,240
other smaller balls of light actually

1382
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,200
flying into them at high speeds

1383
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:14,960
into the bigger balls of light so that's

1384
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,560
really strange

1385
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:18,720
so some of these are the orange ones

1386
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:20,480
some of these are these multi-colored

1387
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:21,680
red things

1388
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:25,680
with very very unusual captures um

1389
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:28,559
a lot of them i capture on the way to or

1390
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:29,119
from

1391
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:32,319
ufo conferences um where i talk at or if

1392
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:34,240
i'm making a documentary and flying into

1393
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,760
the state or whatever um

1394
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,520
a lot of them seem to appear like when

1395
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,359
we're leaving home or

1396
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:41,200
when we're getting back or at the end of

1397
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,640
the conference or whatever

1398
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,240
we've i've been lucky enough to have a

1399
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:45,680
lot of people at conferences

1400
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:49,280
see them with me so and sky watchers and

1401
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:50,880
and stuff like that i've put on in the

1402
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,440
past but yeah a lot of these objects are

1403
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,280
from tarry balkan hills

1404
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:57,520
uh tranging new south wales dunny dew

1405
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:58,880
new south wales

1406
00:48:05,109 --> 00:48:02,720
sydney all over sydney blacktown

1407
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:05,119
and just ending here in a capture this

1408
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,079
was the first

1409
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:09,200
ufo here that a friend of mine ever saw

1410
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:09,920
in his life

1411
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:12,480
and he came up to see hopefully see one

1412
00:48:15,349 --> 00:48:13,440
with me and

1413
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,359
you know and he saw one which was

1414
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:16,960
incredible and these

1415
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,839
you know three uh green lights that

1416
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:21,119
we're just sort of hanging there in the

1417
00:48:23,829 --> 00:48:21,680
sky

1418
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:23,839
and you know spinning around slowly and

1419
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:25,280
all this sort of stuff it

1420
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:27,520
it's quite amazing so i'm lucky um at

1421
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:28,880
this point

1422
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:31,599
over the last decade and i guess

1423
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:33,680
including family i'm up to now

1424
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,800
just over 200 witnesses with this

1425
00:48:39,670 --> 00:48:38,480
strange phenomenon you know i'm not

1426
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:39,680
saying what they are i don't know what

1427
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,240
they are

1428
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,720
you know like unlike a lot of people the

1429
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,760
ufos don't

1430
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:46,240
talk to me so whether they don't like me

1431
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,160
or not they don't tell me i come from

1432
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:51,440
pleiades or the orion or anything like

1433
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:52,480
that you know but

1434
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:55,040
yeah at the end of the day like i i just

1435
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:56,160
call it as i see it

1436
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,520
and um trying to be as scientific

1437
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:02,319
or evidence-based as i can without going

1438
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:02,960
down the

1439
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:05,520
rabbit hole too far so you don't want to

1440
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:06,160
do well

1441
00:49:09,349 --> 00:49:07,440
i don't know if this is down the rabbit

1442
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,359
hole for you but someone wants to know

1443
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,880
have do you experience any

1444
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,960
synchronicities in your daily life

1445
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:14,960
and a lot the reason i posted that

1446
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,960
because a lot of people who have

1447
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,040
uh sightings or a major sighting in

1448
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:21,119
their life seem to have

1449
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,079
these strange things happening uh

1450
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,280
happening do you have any

1451
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:26,960
other strange things happening in your

1452
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:30,240
life besides what you mentioned yeah

1453
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,839
my life is one big ball of strange

1454
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:36,000
everything about it everything about it

1455
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:37,040
man um

1456
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:39,440
just from the things that i see to yeah

1457
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,240
behind the scenes

1458
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,400
i've had a lot of the synchronicities

1459
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,760
like

1460
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,119
um i went through a stage where i was

1461
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:46,880
seeing the number 333

1462
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:49,440
everywhere i went and that sort of i had

1463
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,559
to get that out of my head because i'm

1464
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,400
like no it's conspiracy

1465
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,839
now i'm trying to concentrate on the

1466
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,599
real you know photographing and

1467
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:57,359
videography and everything and getting

1468
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,960
documentaries out there but

1469
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,640
you know when you have like strange

1470
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:02,160
things like that happen you think okay

1471
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,559
well

1472
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:04,400
is that for real or is that what

1473
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,599
whatever what happened what just

1474
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:07,359
happened you know like deja vu's and all

1475
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:08,880
that i get that a fair bit

1476
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,839
i have i've had the sleep paralysis

1477
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,079
before um

1478
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,559
you know so there's on on a couple of

1479
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,440
occasions it was quite nasty

1480
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,839
and um you know little things like that

1481
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:20,960
i've had

1482
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,319
i've seen uh what i thought were uh oh

1483
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,720
like this one occasion especially i saw

1484
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,160
an old man walking towards

1485
00:50:32,230 --> 00:50:30,559
the front door and as i was walking past

1486
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:32,240
the door and i saw him through the fly

1487
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,280
screen and

1488
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,200
i went to the kitchen put a cup on the

1489
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:36,720
sink turned around to go straight back

1490
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,920
to the door

1491
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,599
and the old man who was near the front

1492
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:41,520
door walking up to it was completely

1493
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,000
gone

1494
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,720
and that was within a five-second period

1495
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:46,319
and so i've gone out and i've gone down

1496
00:50:48,950 --> 00:50:47,520
to the front yard and i've looked into

1497
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,960
the neighbor's yards and i've looked up

1498
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,559
and down the street for cars

1499
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,640
nothing just completely dead so this

1500
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:54,880
this old man had completely disappeared

1501
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:57,200
and um that's happened a couple of times

1502
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:58,480
when i've seen someone and then look

1503
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:59,440
back and they're gone

1504
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,880
or some weird things like that you know

1505
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,480
i've seen since i was a kid

1506
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,640
but i don't know if it has anything to

1507
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:06,880
do with this whole ufo thing or not

1508
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,839
but i i've haunted skies my documentary

1509
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,200
coming out

1510
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:14,079
mike williams who's a 44 tiana

1511
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,359
investigator sorry

1512
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,400
sorry like here in australia he um and

1513
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,319
an author as well and you know on the

1514
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,400
big cat phenomenon and you know

1515
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:23,760
in the bigfoot and all that sort of

1516
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,640
stuff and ufos and high strangeness and

1517
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,240
you know him and i've been working on

1518
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,160
haunted skies now for

1519
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:32,400
on and off for like six years at least

1520
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,280
we've been you know

1521
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,680
get getting into this and then you know

1522
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,040
and it's about the

1523
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,119
connections between the different

1524
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,200
phenomenon that people are experiencing

1525
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:44,160
um and it's going into my uh a lot of

1526
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:45,680
evidence that i've captured

1527
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:49,040
of both the phenomenon in the homes and

1528
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:50,160
also up in the sky

1529
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:52,640
as well so i know that there is some

1530
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,839
sort of connection

1531
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,920
um you know and a lot of the points that

1532
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,119
i put across

1533
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,880
maybe people say oh mate it's just a

1534
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:00,640
coincidence or is this all that but

1535
00:52:05,670 --> 00:52:03,359
once it gets beyond a few more a few

1536
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:05,680
than a couple of coincidences you start

1537
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:07,359
thinking okay there may be something to

1538
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:07,760
this

1539
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:10,079
and um so yeah i'll be presenting a lot

1540
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,520
of evidence showing and a lot of

1541
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,000
scientific also um background into this

1542
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,599
evidence as well showing

1543
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:18,079
um you know what i believe is going on

1544
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,720
here

1545
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,319
on this earth and it's a lot stranger

1546
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,240
than what people think so

1547
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,200
especially yeah um you know shock valet

1548
00:52:27,990 --> 00:52:26,720
has said you know maybe we don't even

1549
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,000
know what it is

1550
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,559
you know and and i agree with uh that

1551
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,720
that's a very much a possibility

1552
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,400
um we're going into break here in about

1553
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:36,400
three minutes um

1554
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,599
that uh there was a a a question i think

1555
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:41,520
that came up that it made me think of

1556
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:42,720
something like

1557
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,160
um but you know oh the question was

1558
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,319
you have uh you video too because that's

1559
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,920
what the person wanted to know i mean

1560
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,400
you we just showed you some showed

1561
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,839
everyone some still pictures

1562
00:52:57,510 --> 00:52:55,599
but you have a lot of video on this i

1563
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:57,520
saw that in one of your movies

1564
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,920
um you know there's a movie up on prime

1565
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:01,280
you can rent it

1566
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,599
um and there's uh that you're in and

1567
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:05,440
then uh on one that you don't have to

1568
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:07,119
rent i believe i can't remember the name

1569
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,599
of it

1570
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:10,160
but on amazon prime you can uh see those

1571
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,400
movies

1572
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:14,640
that's that's correct yeah uh we also

1573
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,200
have uh fractured realities on youtube

1574
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,839
as well um and part two is just about to

1575
00:53:23,670 --> 00:53:21,440
come out of that on on that

1576
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:23,680
um part one just went into you know

1577
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:25,280
speaking to a lot of witnesses going

1578
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,319
through some

1579
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,720
basic steps of my life showing you know

1580
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,640
a lot of footage and stuff like that

1581
00:53:34,390 --> 00:53:32,160
a lot of what i've seen and what others

1582
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:34,400
around seeing experienced

1583
00:53:37,950 --> 00:53:36,480
and stuff like that ufo invent you know

1584
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:37,960
presidents and

1585
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,559
investigators and stuff like that so

1586
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:42,800
part two is going into more of what

1587
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,680
we're seeing in the sky i.e uh the

1588
00:53:48,390 --> 00:53:47,520
different types of uap the different

1589
00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:48,400
categories

1590
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:51,440
um the the colors the type shapes uh

1591
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:53,599
their characteristics you know what they

1592
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:54,880
do some of them

1593
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,520
sent seem to ha have the same

1594
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,640
characteristics like

1595
00:54:01,990 --> 00:54:01,359
the red the spheres of light seem to

1596
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,000
follow

1597
00:54:05,910 --> 00:54:04,319
and mimic movements of not just humans

1598
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:05,920
on the ground but they also seem to

1599
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,079
follow mimic movements of planes

1600
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,839
more probably more so than any other

1601
00:54:14,309 --> 00:54:11,760
type of uap um

1602
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,319
except for the white uap which of course

1603
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,760
as we know has gone back to the foo

1604
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:17,359
fighter days where they used to hang on

1605
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,280
the wing tips of the planes and

1606
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:20,880
follow the plane movements and stuff

1607
00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,960
like that but you know it's the case

1608
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:24,880
um actually jacques delay and chris

1609
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:26,960
orbeck in their book wonders in the sky

1610
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:29,359
uh bought it a couple of years ago when

1611
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:30,400
i purchased a book

1612
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,720
i opened up on a page started reading

1613
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:34,720
and straight away there's the case

1614
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:37,520
um of a gentleman i think in the 15th

1615
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:38,000
century

1616
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:40,160
back in germany he walked into a town

1617
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:42,160
and had a red ball of light follow above

1618
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,119
his head

1619
00:54:46,870 --> 00:54:45,200
and when he'd look up it would stop and

1620
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,880
when he would stop and he when he would

1621
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,720
continue it would continue following him

1622
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,480
when he stopped it would stop

1623
00:54:54,309 --> 00:54:52,640
exactly the same thing i saw when i was

1624
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,319
nine but 500 years

1625
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,319
after this event in germany and that

1626
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,839
blew my mind i thought

1627
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,520
because i'd never heard of another case

1628
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,839
of that where it was similar to mine

1629
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:03,119
that i've been speaking about last

1630
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,119
decade publicly

1631
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:06,640
with one of these ufos actually

1632
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:09,760
mimicking and following a human being

1633
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:13,200
yeah it's really well yeah 500 years is

1634
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:14,400
just a drop of time

1635
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,240
when it comes to the universe but you're

1636
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,920
right yeah absolutely

1637
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:19,520
okay well we're going to go into break

1638
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:21,119
and we'll be right back right after

1639
00:55:39,220 --> 00:55:22,079
these messages

1640
00:56:28,829 --> 00:55:56,680
[Music]

1641
00:56:28,839 --> 00:56:36,470
so

1642
00:57:20,730 --> 00:57:16,680
[Music]

1643
00:57:38,829 --> 00:57:20,740
[Applause]

1644
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:38,839
[Music]

1645
00:58:06,829 --> 00:57:41,700
so

1646
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:06,839
[Music]

1647
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:46,069
stand by gentlemen we're coming back in

1648
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:58,230
in three two one go

1649
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,400
all right everyone welcome back uh this

1650
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:02,400
is martin willis and my guest today is

1651
00:59:07,030 --> 00:59:03,440
damien

1652
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:07,040
knott and uh welcome back damian

1653
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:08,880
that was quite a snappy tune this first

1654
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:12,079
time i played that that breakthrough

1655
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,930
i was getting into it

1656
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,119
[Laughter]

1657
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,520
um yeah so someone wanted to ask you

1658
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,640
know the last question

1659
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:20,960
in our chat was you know do you have

1660
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:23,119
video now you mentioned earlier that you

1661
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:23,760
have

1662
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,720
a website are can people well want you

1663
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:28,880
to uh tell us what the website is

1664
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:32,480
and sure um ahead the

1665
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:34,000
way that the website's actually been

1666
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,599
down now for a little while so i'm

1667
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:37,200
working on a new one right now

1668
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:41,599
um oh okay so once that gets up

1669
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,200
but once that gets up you'll have will

1670
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:45,280
you have some of the videos on there

1671
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:48,559
oh absolutely um the videos photographs

1672
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,720
um only the best of the best ones where

1673
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,319
you know i've had witnesses with me

1674
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,160
who've seen them as well

1675
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:56,240
so you know i won't be putting up a lot

1676
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:57,920
of stuff that could be this or could be

1677
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:59,520
that or whatever you know little lights

1678
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:01,040
off in the distance or something like

1679
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:01,680
that

1680
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:04,559
you know only bona fide up close videos

1681
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:05,680
and photos

1682
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,839
or as up close as what you can get right

1683
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,079
out to these things

1684
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,520
but yeah now you mentioned earlier you

1685
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:13,520
have about i'm sorry go ahead

1686
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:15,040
you mentioned earlier that you had a lot

1687
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:17,280
of about 60 cameras right that's another

1688
01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:18,559
question that came up something like

1689
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:19,680
that right

1690
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:29,670
that's that's plenty now are there times

1691
01:00:33,270 --> 01:00:30,319
when

1692
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:33,280
it's kind of like fishing in a way if

1693
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:34,880
anyone's ever gone fishing

1694
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:37,200
you know you wait in the boat sometimes

1695
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,240
for

1696
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,880
uh hours and hours and hours and no fish

1697
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,079
bites um

1698
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:44,079
is that kind of what can happen like

1699
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:45,599
other many many nights you'll

1700
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:47,920
be out there and there's nothing but you

1701
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:50,000
you're just you just keep going back

1702
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,280
and and how does that work

1703
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,920
so for me i'm probably the laziest uh

1704
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:58,000
ufologist or sky watcher whatever you

1705
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,440
want to call me

1706
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:02,240
you know i've basically the times i've

1707
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:03,359
gone out

1708
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,559
the times i've actively looked for ufos

1709
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:08,640
except for when i've gone to new areas

1710
01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:10,079
or something like that but when i've

1711
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,799
actually

1712
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:12,400
gone out into the backyard or got out

1713
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,079
into the front yard looking for them

1714
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:16,400
i never see them i never see them when

1715
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,240
i'm actively just wanting to just go out

1716
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,920
and see them myself

1717
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:21,680
at the weird part of the weird and i

1718
01:01:26,309 --> 01:01:23,760
guess high strangers part of this is

1719
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,319
the times that i see them are when you

1720
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,920
know i'll be taking the rubbish bin out

1721
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:29,359
not even thinking about them and just

1722
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:30,240
look up at one

1723
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,160
spot in the sky and they'll be sitting

1724
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,079
right there and then they'll just blink

1725
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:35,680
out or they'll take off really quick in

1726
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:38,720
one direction or something like that um

1727
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,440
and other ones other times you know it's

1728
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,359
before conferences it's on the way to

1729
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:45,359
conferences it's on my birthday

1730
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,119
you know i've had him appear literally

1731
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:49,599
either 20 minutes before my birthday

1732
01:01:54,390 --> 01:01:51,680
20 minutes after my birth or 10 minutes

1733
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:54,400
after my birthday at midnight when i'm

1734
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,359
literally just turning it you know um

1735
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,200
another year on this earth kind of thing

1736
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,720
and then

1737
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:03,119
they just appear in really strange times

1738
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:04,400
um but

1739
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,319
like i say i'm lucky um that i've had a

1740
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:07,599
lot of witnesses um

1741
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,680
to to most of the sightings i've had

1742
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,680
especially over the last decade

1743
01:02:14,870 --> 01:02:13,920
which has been really good so it makes

1744
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:14,880
me think i'm not

1745
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:17,920
as crazy as you know um probably others

1746
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:19,440
probably think i am or

1747
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:21,839
um or my cameras are crazy too you know

1748
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:23,280
because my cameras are picking up

1749
01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:26,319
this stuff as well so i mean it's um

1750
01:02:30,069 --> 01:02:28,480
that's why i i tried also to get

1751
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:30,079
different cameras and i have multiple

1752
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:31,760
cameras next to each other on rig

1753
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:34,079
so if i get the chance to get a rig and

1754
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,920
get it outside and set up

1755
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:37,440
most of the time you see nothing anyway

1756
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,520
so it's a waste of time but when you do

1757
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:41,119
um and you've actively got all the

1758
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,960
cameras going at once you can capture it

1759
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:44,480
on a thermal camera you can capture it

1760
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,520
on an infrared

1761
01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:48,240
a modified full spectrum camera a 4k

1762
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:48,960
camera

1763
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:51,520
you know some other type of um format

1764
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,760
camera you know and and so

1765
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:55,760
it rules out if you're capturing the

1766
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,799
same phenomenon

1767
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,960
on the camera as it rules out on

1768
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:00,559
multiple cameras it rules out an

1769
01:03:03,910 --> 01:03:02,799
anomaly on a single camera so the

1770
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:03,920
skeptics can't say oh

1771
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,839
it's just a camera anomaly okay well how

1772
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:07,599
come the same anomaly is appearing on

1773
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:08,880
five different cameras

1774
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:11,119
of different models and makes and

1775
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:12,240
everything and

1776
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:14,400
yeah and they can't explain that so

1777
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:15,359
that's evidence

1778
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,400
um it's a lot uh a lot easier

1779
01:03:23,190 --> 01:03:20,640
uh to get through as evidence um without

1780
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:23,200
it being smashed down by skeptics so

1781
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:25,200
it helps when you have multiple bits of

1782
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:26,960
footage so

1783
01:03:30,069 --> 01:03:29,760
yeah and how are how are the skeptics

1784
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,079
how

1785
01:03:34,950 --> 01:03:33,039
do the skeptics treat you ah they're

1786
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:34,960
fine they they stay clear of me now

1787
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:37,520
um i was on a current affairs program

1788
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,359
here in australia called today tonight

1789
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:40,960
with the uh president and the australian

1790
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:43,359
skeptics association at the time

1791
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:46,240
and um he tried to you know take me down

1792
01:03:49,109 --> 01:03:47,359
a peg and

1793
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,119
rubbish my footage and all this kind of

1794
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:51,039
stuff and and then um

1795
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:52,960
basically they got made out to look

1796
01:03:56,069 --> 01:03:54,640
quite silly on the program

1797
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:56,079
um to the point where they actually

1798
01:03:59,349 --> 01:03:57,839
edited part of the program and then put

1799
01:04:01,589 --> 01:03:59,359
it up down in melbourne

1800
01:04:02,549 --> 01:04:01,599
um on melbourne's today tonight so to

1801
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,559
make them look less

1802
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,720
silly because it was always the same

1803
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,880
excuses with skeptics it's always

1804
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:09,200
um no the distance of the universe is

1805
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:10,000
too vast

1806
01:04:14,309 --> 01:04:12,720
the um you know the time the speed of

1807
01:04:16,230 --> 01:04:14,319
light and all this you know blah blah

1808
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:16,240
blah the stuff that they've been saying

1809
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:17,760
you know there's no other planets out

1810
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,359
there that could hold life and now

1811
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,200
slowly science has been changing this

1812
01:04:25,349 --> 01:04:23,359
you know we now know about exoplanets

1813
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,359
possibility of you know them hosting

1814
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,960
life out there and

1815
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:28,480
we've you know stuff on earth we're

1816
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:30,960
still finding five new species a day

1817
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:33,760
stuff we thought we couldn't exist or or

1818
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:35,599
life forms that live in battery acid

1819
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,280
we're finding out things that you know

1820
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,839
yesterday we we had no idea about and

1821
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,000
said no that that's not possible so

1822
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:44,640
for skeptics to rule out you know the

1823
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,480
distance factor and rule out this and

1824
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,079
that based on our own current

1825
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:49,680
understanding of physics it's just a

1826
01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:50,160
joke

1827
01:04:54,069 --> 01:04:52,640
so you know um i know there's a lot more

1828
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:54,079
to physics i know there's a lot more to

1829
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:54,960
dark matter

1830
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:58,319
on those um and and what they postulate

1831
01:05:02,470 --> 01:04:59,280
as being um

1832
01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:02,480
ulterior universes ulterior dimensions

1833
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:04,880
around us multidimensions whatever i

1834
01:05:08,150 --> 01:05:05,839
know i'm sure

1835
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:08,160
that um this all ties hand in hand with

1836
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,039
what we're seeing

1837
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:11,599
um in our skies and experience the high

1838
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:13,359
strangers stuff we're experiencing on

1839
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:14,960
the earth here too

1840
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,920
so some it's i love the mystery part of

1841
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,280
it you know it's um

1842
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:21,280
yeah it's quite amazing it gets you

1843
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,559
hooked you know

1844
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,799
yeah i think the mystery is yeah the

1845
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:26,000
mystery is uh

1846
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:28,319
is the big hook for most of us i i do

1847
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,599
think that um

1848
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,760
you didn't actually mean battery acid

1849
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,799
you mean like

1850
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:35,280
the acidic um i think it was in the

1851
01:05:40,309 --> 01:05:37,039
desert where they found those

1852
01:05:43,589 --> 01:05:40,319
those uh micro uh organisms and like

1853
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:43,599
real acidic uh water or something right

1854
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:45,280
oh yeah no no they've actually found

1855
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,280
that life can exist in battery acid now

1856
01:05:50,230 --> 01:05:48,640
too they've actually found that the

1857
01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:50,240
little microbes that were swimming

1858
01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,160
around in battery acid

1859
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:54,480
oh my god i didn't know that yeah yeah

1860
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:56,319
yeah that's only fairly new so

1861
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:58,400
that blew me away i love finding out new

1862
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:59,839
stuff about things we

1863
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,079
we didn't know you know yesterday so

1864
01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,680
it's the same when people say

1865
01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:06,480
you know you can't convince someone that

1866
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:07,520
ufos

1867
01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:10,240
exist right um and a hundred they can

1868
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,079
have an open mind yeah sure but

1869
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:14,160
you can't say and they can't believe 100

1870
01:06:17,910 --> 01:06:15,520
within themselves anyway

1871
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:17,920
that you know they exist and i i know

1872
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:19,200
and blah blah blah

1873
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:21,119
how you can't know unless you see and

1874
01:06:25,029 --> 01:06:22,799
then even when you see

1875
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:25,039
and you see multiple times you still

1876
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:26,559
most of the time you don't really know

1877
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:27,440
what you're seeing

1878
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:29,440
it's just you're seeing it constantly

1879
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:30,880
you're seeing their characteristics and

1880
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,680
what they're doing

1881
01:06:36,390 --> 01:06:34,160
but other than that we can't really

1882
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:36,400
glean much more information from

1883
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:39,039
sightings or what we're seeing so all i

1884
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,079
can really do is

1885
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:43,039
video and photograph it and use and have

1886
01:06:46,630 --> 01:06:44,240
that as evidence

1887
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:46,640
of some type that hey don't know what it

1888
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,960
is but hey it's really strange and um

1889
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,799
it could be some type of natural earth

1890
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:52,799
anomaly that we know nothing about

1891
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:55,760
hence the paranatural enigma of this

1892
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:56,240
whole

1893
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,000
situation and of my book that's coming

1894
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:02,559
out is called apparent actual enigma as

1895
01:07:06,309 --> 01:07:04,240
well so that'll be out within the next

1896
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:06,319
six months too so

1897
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,720
yeah i try and touch on as deep as i can

1898
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:10,960
um in the book and in the next couple of

1899
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:12,240
documentaries coming out

1900
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:15,760
so yeah i mean some of it

1901
01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:18,319
go ahead yeah i just give people a you

1902
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:19,039
know

1903
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:20,799
put it in in and they can look at the

1904
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,799
evidence they can you know postulate

1905
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:24,640
and say okay well that that may be

1906
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:26,000
that's you know

1907
01:07:29,109 --> 01:07:28,079
um and so i'm just putting it out there

1908
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,119
and people can

1909
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,200
say okay whatever you can say yeah i

1910
01:07:33,750 --> 01:07:32,799
believe it or not it doesn't matter it's

1911
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:33,760
it's just

1912
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:37,119
designed to make people think um about

1913
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:39,200
uh the phenomenon what it could possibly

1914
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:40,640
be other than

1915
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:44,720
aliens coming from mars or venus so yeah

1916
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,880
yeah or maybe that's even part of it or

1917
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,000
not part of it but

1918
01:07:54,309 --> 01:07:51,200
um you know yeah uh you know

1919
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:54,319
the uh places in in this country that

1920
01:07:56,549 --> 01:07:55,839
you hear a lot about you said the marfa

1921
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,559
lights

1922
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:59,440
also there's brown mountain um that

1923
01:08:03,349 --> 01:07:59,920
people

1924
01:08:05,990 --> 01:08:03,359
are seeing a lot of you know ufos there

1925
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:06,000
orbs and things like that uh so there

1926
01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,799
are places

1927
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,720
and that was that's a high concentration

1928
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,799
of copper in that area

1929
01:08:14,870 --> 01:08:12,640
and there's places i know you're

1930
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:14,880
probably very familiar with a skinwalker

1931
01:08:18,630 --> 01:08:15,760
ranch

1932
01:08:19,430 --> 01:08:18,640
uh you know there's just these odd

1933
01:08:22,550 --> 01:08:19,440
places

1934
01:08:25,430 --> 01:08:22,560
in the world where things happen

1935
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,440
and there may it's possible as you just

1936
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,040
mentioned a second ago that some of

1937
01:08:31,910 --> 01:08:28,799
these may have a natural

1938
01:08:33,669 --> 01:08:31,920
uh you know a natural occurrence of

1939
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,679
of something we just don't understand at

1940
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:35,359
this point so

1941
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:38,640
yeah i mean yeah and and it could be but

1942
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,120
you know when it gets into the weird the

1943
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,040
really weird stuff you know like

1944
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:45,759
uh bigfoot and and uh you know the the

1945
01:08:49,669 --> 01:08:47,679
things like you were mentioning

1946
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:49,679
that your father saw you know slide

1947
01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,000
behind you and things like that that

1948
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,960
ah you know who knows what the you know

1949
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:56,560
if something's actually happening what

1950
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:57,120
the heck

1951
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,799
you know those type of things could you

1952
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:01,199
can't even wrap your brain around what

1953
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:05,040
that's right exactly um

1954
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,560
and that's why i'm postulating that they

1955
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:08,480
may be coming from the same place

1956
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,679
as the ufos i mean and another thing um

1957
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:13,199
or another dimension or whatever the

1958
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,239
case is that

1959
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:16,159
and every now and then they're seen in

1960
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:17,359
our dimension

1961
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:20,000
you know a lot of um what i've looked

1962
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:20,960
into

1963
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:24,159
uh shows that you know that the slim

1964
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,560
similarities between a phenomenal i mean

1965
01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,880
both of the phenomenon um you know goes

1966
01:09:32,229 --> 01:09:30,480
whenever they're around they affect

1967
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,239
animals um greatly

1968
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,880
you know animals go crazy seemingly same

1969
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,000
as ufos

1970
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,239
animals seem to go especially dogs and

1971
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,239
cows and everything seem to go

1972
01:09:43,430 --> 01:09:42,000
it's like they sense as a predator

1973
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,440
around sonic it's

1974
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:45,440
more they do more than just bark

1975
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,560
sometimes

1976
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:49,040
i think my old dog gruffy he got so used

1977
01:09:52,630 --> 01:09:50,799
to them a couple of times i caught him

1978
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,640
in the backyard here a decade ago like

1979
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:54,320
he was seeing heaps probably more than

1980
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,040
most humans i know um and at one night i

1981
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:58,640
woke up and saw him staring up at a

1982
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:00,719
white light that was about maybe

1983
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,880
30 feet above our backyard and he's just

1984
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:04,320
sitting there staring at it

1985
01:10:08,070 --> 01:10:05,840
and i'm there calling him from the back

1986
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:08,080
window ruff ruff come inside get inside

1987
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,840
and yelling and he would nothing

1988
01:10:13,030 --> 01:10:11,360
the light blinked out and then all of a

1989
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:13,040
sudden he barked a couple times up in

1990
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:14,480
the sky turned around looked at me and

1991
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:15,840
it was like he was out of

1992
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,600
some spell or something it was really

1993
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:18,880
really weird

1994
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:21,360
but other times yeah animals just seem

1995
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,480
to go absolutely

1996
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,960
not like crazy um when you're do you

1997
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,239
actually have you actually

1998
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,440
come down low over town you know yeah

1999
01:10:32,550 --> 01:10:31,360
so you've actually witnessed the animal

2000
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,560
reactions

2001
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:35,520
besides your dog oh absolutely a few

2002
01:10:38,709 --> 01:10:36,400
times yeah

2003
01:10:39,590 --> 01:10:38,719
yeah we've seen balls of light move

2004
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,600
glide

2005
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,239
silently over the tops of rooftops so so

2006
01:10:46,470 --> 01:10:44,000
low that they were actually illuminating

2007
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:46,480
the rooftop as the tiles on the roof as

2008
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:47,600
it was going

2009
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:50,159
um and i did we watched this and it went

2010
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,920
behind a tree it was half the size of

2011
01:10:56,550 --> 01:10:53,760
the home that we were watching

2012
01:10:58,550 --> 01:10:56,560
and right up in the backyard here and um

2013
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:58,560
and it was headed towards these cattle

2014
01:11:02,229 --> 01:10:59,920
that were outside of town they were

2015
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,239
there for an auction and um

2016
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,320
the dogs and every animals were going

2017
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:06,400
crazy but then when it got to the area

2018
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,760
where the cattle were

2019
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:09,440
the cattle started going crazy the

2020
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:11,199
cattle were banging against the metal

2021
01:11:15,030 --> 01:11:12,560
fences and

2022
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:15,040
i just for for a good 15 minutes the

2023
01:11:18,070 --> 01:11:16,000
cattle just went

2024
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,080
absolutely nuts and i know that there

2025
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:20,239
wasn't any you know cattle mutilations

2026
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:21,199
the next day

2027
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:22,960
as far as i know but you know i

2028
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,560
witnessed this with my own eyes though

2029
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,159
sorry a lot of people in the town

2030
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,560
have seen them but yeah most people do

2031
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:30,880
keep it to themselves unfortunately

2032
01:11:35,350 --> 01:11:33,760
um like my auntie for instance um you

2033
01:11:36,630 --> 01:11:35,360
know she's out on the farm here just

2034
01:11:39,830 --> 01:11:36,640
outside of town a

2035
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:39,840
big farm you know 26 000 acres and um

2036
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:40,800
wow and she

2037
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:43,440
she's seen um lights over the property

2038
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,960
as well and then when i asked her a

2039
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:46,640
decade ago you know have you seen any of

2040
01:11:49,830 --> 01:11:47,040
these

2041
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,840
weird ufos oh yeah the lights yeah we

2042
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:51,520
see him uh every now and then and i'm

2043
01:11:54,550 --> 01:11:52,080
like

2044
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,560
oh what and then that's all you know she

2045
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:56,880
didn't really care about it she didn't

2046
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,800
mention it anymore it was like okay

2047
01:12:02,149 --> 01:12:01,040
she's just a hardcore country pharma

2048
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,159
woman you know they don't

2049
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:04,320
make up stories like that or they don't

2050
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:05,760
she didn't care about it you know it's

2051
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:06,159
just

2052
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:08,480
a phenomenon that they witnessed she's

2053
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:09,520
witnessed and

2054
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,280
sort of to brush it off you know and

2055
01:12:15,830 --> 01:12:13,040
just move along and keep working and

2056
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:15,840
that's just the way they are so

2057
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,960
amazing um this uh question how close

2058
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,560
have you been

2059
01:12:24,790 --> 01:12:22,880
to orbs or ufos what's the closest i

2060
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:24,800
guess i'll i'll reframe that

2061
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:28,640
that you have been actually to an object

2062
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,400
uh okay it wasn't an orb but it was a

2063
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:34,480
shaft of light it was a column of light

2064
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,679
maybe about

2065
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,360
five to six feet long it was hard to

2066
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:39,199
tell because it moved in really quite

2067
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:42,800
fast but um it was about in diameter

2068
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,360
about a

2069
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,000
day big um maybe about half a meter in

2070
01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,760
diameter or else

2071
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,640
but it melted into the ground over my

2072
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,320
shoulder and i was picking up a camera

2073
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,080
at the time and this was in a hot spot

2074
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:56,400
area in a place called temporary um

2075
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,320
north new south wales here

2076
01:13:02,709 --> 01:13:01,440
and um i was there with um an author and

2077
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:02,719
i was there with another gentleman

2078
01:13:06,870 --> 01:13:03,199
another

2079
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,880
ufo investigator and i set the camera up

2080
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:08,159
on the valley behind us

2081
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,080
where in this small valley there's a lot

2082
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,159
of activity and balls of light that

2083
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:15,040
just appear above trees and blink out

2084
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,480
and all sorts of weird things

2085
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:18,480
happen in this area it's only a small

2086
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,120
area too very small

2087
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,440
and and so i set the camera up behind us

2088
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:25,040
and we're talking and

2089
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,120
um and then all of a sudden i've got

2090
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,960
bent down to pick up a camera and the

2091
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,800
second i've done that this light has

2092
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,640
come up over my shoulder

2093
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,480
flown into the ground i could have stuck

2094
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:36,159
my finger out and it would have touched

2095
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:37,840
my finger that's how close this light

2096
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:38,719
was to me

2097
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,440
and it melted into the ground no sound

2098
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,679
no noise no disturbance of the ground

2099
01:13:46,790 --> 01:13:45,840
anything like that whatsoever and i was

2100
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:46,800
like wow okay

2101
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:49,520
um i jumped about 15 feet that way and

2102
01:13:53,830 --> 01:13:52,159
mike jumped about 10 feet backwards and

2103
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:53,840
we were just like whoa okay that was

2104
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,840
pretty bizarre so i've had him probably

2105
01:13:58,630 --> 01:13:57,520
about that far away from me that was the

2106
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,640
closest

2107
01:14:01,669 --> 01:14:01,199
anomalous light i guess you could say um

2108
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,679
but the

2109
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:03,440
the funny thing is the the following

2110
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,440
morning uh when we got back home

2111
01:14:08,310 --> 01:14:07,280
and everything and went through the foot

2112
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:08,320
i went through the footage from the

2113
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:09,360
night before and

2114
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,400
sure enough i've captured 13 other

2115
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:15,199
lights the same shaft column shafts of

2116
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:16,800
light whatever they were

2117
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:19,840
that uh flying changing direction and

2118
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,640
everything

2119
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:22,880
and flying into the ground no noise

2120
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:24,239
behind our backs

2121
01:14:27,510 --> 01:14:25,679
while this thing had flew into the

2122
01:14:30,229 --> 01:14:27,520
ground next to my arm

2123
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:30,239
so we captured 13 at the same time while

2124
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:30,719
the

2125
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:36,719
trifield meters going absolutely crazy

2126
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:38,000
in the background while this is

2127
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:38,960
happening

2128
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:41,120
um and and people saying hey the meters

2129
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,800
are going crazy what's going on and

2130
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:44,719
blah blah blah and then then they saw

2131
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:45,840
the light um

2132
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:49,040
but on other occasions like i've had um

2133
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:51,280
when i was nine i had one about maybe 15

2134
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:52,560
feet above my head

2135
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,120
maybe 20. um i've had one a purple one

2136
01:15:00,950 --> 01:14:59,440
uh two years ago above my tree just

2137
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:00,960
outside my office

2138
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:03,760
um and it just appeared out of nowhere

2139
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:04,719
bobbed up and down

2140
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,520
like really silently for a second i had

2141
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,199
like a white

2142
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:10,960
it's hard to explain but purpley white

2143
01:15:16,149 --> 01:15:13,600
exterior and it was radiating out to

2144
01:15:17,430 --> 01:15:16,159
a darker purple exterior on the around

2145
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:17,440
the outside of it

2146
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:19,920
um and then it just blinked out and was

2147
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:22,080
gone after giving off this bright flash

2148
01:15:28,470 --> 01:15:25,199
um and you know and

2149
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:28,480
yeah that's probably about oh and one

2150
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,320
other time in um

2151
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,719
uh where it was i had a light follow

2152
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:34,320
another red light um

2153
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:37,440
in tari uh sorry entirely in top ride

2154
01:15:40,950 --> 01:15:38,320
about

2155
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,960
maybe 13 years ago and it was at

2156
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:42,640
midnight and i was trying to get down to

2157
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:44,239
the service station before the service

2158
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:45,520
station closed

2159
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:47,199
get some milk or something for the next

2160
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,640
morning for coffee

2161
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:50,480
um and then yeah and i saw this thing

2162
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:52,159
above me and i got a photograph of that

2163
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:52,960
thing as well

2164
01:15:56,070 --> 01:15:54,480
and then a little bit of film before it

2165
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,080
zipped away but

2166
01:16:00,070 --> 01:15:58,320
yeah um that was probably about 10 feet

2167
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:00,080
away from me it's quite close

2168
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,520
um but yeah they don't talk to me

2169
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:06,560
so i don't know i don't know why what

2170
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,520
what's the

2171
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,480
reason or motive or mission or whatever

2172
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:12,000
sometimes it does your head in trying to

2173
01:16:16,630 --> 01:16:14,159
work it out you know

2174
01:16:18,550 --> 01:16:16,640
yeah um one of the questions i had and

2175
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,560
it looks like someone is also asking a

2176
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:20,640
similar question

2177
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:22,960
do you ever someone now this is an

2178
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:25,120
interesting question but you ever detect

2179
01:16:30,149 --> 01:16:28,400
any um any sounds on any of these and

2180
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:30,159
someone wanted to know also in

2181
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:34,320
any odor which is an unusual question

2182
01:16:38,790 --> 01:16:37,360
uh actually the the older one is a bit

2183
01:16:40,870 --> 01:16:38,800
it's a good one because that's part of

2184
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,880
the things i'm going into in haunted

2185
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,159
skies as well

2186
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:44,800
um a lot of uh witness reports speak

2187
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,640
about strange odors

2188
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:49,280
it is almost like of sulfur and i've

2189
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:50,800
smelt that only once

2190
01:16:54,709 --> 01:16:53,760
in my life um and and that was inside a

2191
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:54,719
home

2192
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,239
i haven't actually smelt it coming from

2193
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:59,120
a ufo or but i have had reports of

2194
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,760
others

2195
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:01,520
who've smelled the same or a similar

2196
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:05,040
kind of sulphur smell coming from ufos

2197
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,320
i've smelt like a kind of

2198
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:10,320
like an eggy kind of smell once and that

2199
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,920
was when the

2200
01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:13,679
thing flew into the ground next to my

2201
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:15,120
arm

2202
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:17,360
and uh the electrical thing or whatever

2203
01:17:21,590 --> 01:17:19,040
it was um

2204
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:21,600
plasma shaft thing i don't know what to

2205
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,480
call them uh

2206
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,880
but yeah i did smell some sort of weird

2207
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:26,239
smell for a few seconds

2208
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:28,480
um and and then it just sort of

2209
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:29,280
dissipated

2210
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:32,880
it was gone uh so yeah i i i

2211
01:17:37,350 --> 01:17:35,600
a lot of people have reported um with

2212
01:17:38,790 --> 01:17:37,360
poltergeist activity and other strange

2213
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:38,800
activity in their homes to

2214
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:43,120
um the sulphur smell and um

2215
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,840
so yeah there there are a few you know

2216
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:47,280
that is a bit of a connection

2217
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:49,520
um but it doesn't happen with all cases

2218
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:50,800
or anything it could be

2219
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:53,679
uh whatever is powering them or whatever

2220
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:55,520
energy they're giving off it may be

2221
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:57,679
interacting with our oxygen

2222
01:18:01,110 --> 01:18:00,400
maybe ionizing the air around it causing

2223
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,120
the smell

2224
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:04,159
um who knows really it's um

2225
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:06,159
you know i wonder it's a mystery still i

2226
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:07,440
can't i wish i could tell you

2227
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:10,000
an answer 100 but yeah unfortunately i

2228
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,199
don't have it but

2229
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:13,440
there are reports of it happening so

2230
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:14,719
also out here what about

2231
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,560
sound any of these things that you've

2232
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:18,560
ever filmed do you ever hear any sound

2233
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,520
from any of them

2234
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:22,320
buzzing or anything i've heard buzzing

2235
01:18:26,070 --> 01:18:23,040
once

2236
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:26,080
um and that was just a second or two

2237
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:29,280
before a ufo had appeared out of nowhere

2238
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,400
uh and i that was once

2239
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:34,159
i've never been able to record a sound

2240
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,840
i've got some high powered

2241
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:37,600
you know sound recording equipment

2242
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,040
trying to capture the sounds of these

2243
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:41,440
from these things and nothing

2244
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:44,080
well i haven't been lucky so far anyway

2245
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:45,760
i mean i've caught other strange sounds

2246
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:46,000
and

2247
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:48,719
things in the home but never never with

2248
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,520
the ufo

2249
01:18:53,030 --> 01:18:51,360
stuff and i've always had microphones

2250
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:53,040
pointed towards them and high-powered

2251
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,239
things and everything and

2252
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:56,640
no no luck but i know that they do give

2253
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:58,400
off sound i know that there are reports

2254
01:19:00,790 --> 01:18:59,120
of it i know

2255
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:00,800
i've heard the sound myself the metal

2256
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:03,199
whirring sound very low

2257
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:06,400
um but yeah it's again that's quite rare

2258
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,719
to

2259
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:08,960
the reports of sounds coming from and

2260
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:10,880
most of the time they're silent

2261
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:13,520
so yeah that was the one of the most

2262
01:19:15,669 --> 01:19:15,199
i've said this many times on the show

2263
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,679
but

2264
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:17,679
when i had my ufo sighting that the fact

2265
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:19,120
that it was making

2266
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:21,920
no noise at all and moving was one of

2267
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,000
the most baffling things to me

2268
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:26,719
um you mentioned just a minute ago that

2269
01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,719
the meters were going crazy so

2270
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:30,400
what are the meters you have you're

2271
01:19:35,110 --> 01:19:32,000
registering um

2272
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,120
some activity there on meters yeah

2273
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:37,520
uh we have uh you know the the good

2274
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,360
old-school tri-field meters

2275
01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:41,199
um you know and we have we'll have it on

2276
01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:42,800
some and um

2277
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:46,080
we're registering like very large

2278
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:49,440
localized magnetic field changes so only

2279
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,000
in certain

2280
01:19:56,149 --> 01:19:53,760
areas and areas near this mountain

2281
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:56,159
also where there's a lot of activity

2282
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:56,880
happening

2283
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,600
seemingly in the mountain or between the

2284
01:20:01,990 --> 01:20:01,600
mountain and here there's a small river

2285
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,000
it's

2286
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:04,880
very small though so but i know um i've

2287
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:05,199
got

2288
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:07,520
film and footage of um you know and i've

2289
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:08,880
had witnesses as well

2290
01:20:13,270 --> 01:20:11,840
um after a talk in kyama down south here

2291
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:13,280
in new south wales where

2292
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:15,280
we went to a beach i had a talk in an

2293
01:20:18,149 --> 01:20:17,520
hour so i you know we went to the beach

2294
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:18,159
and

2295
01:20:24,229 --> 01:20:21,920
enough you know uh

2296
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:24,239
myself and um lorraine celia is the

2297
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:25,600
president of um

2298
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:28,159
campbelltown ufo research organization

2299
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,960
here

2300
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:30,320
yeah um we're just looking out and all

2301
01:20:32,550 --> 01:20:31,920
of a sudden this big ball of lights come

2302
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:32,560
across

2303
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,000
water

2304
01:20:39,669 --> 01:20:38,400
came towards us and then another one

2305
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:39,679
came past it

2306
01:20:42,870 --> 01:20:41,920
smaller ball of plasma or whatever you

2307
01:20:44,950 --> 01:20:42,880
want to call it

2308
01:20:46,470 --> 01:20:44,960
and then the bigger one that bought

2309
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,480
smaller one disappeared and then the

2310
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:47,760
bigger one has flown

2311
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:51,040
right out across the ocean top

2312
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,080
right out to the horizon almost in

2313
01:20:59,350 --> 01:20:57,120
a fraction of and it's on the video in a

2314
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,360
fraction of about five seconds if that

2315
01:21:03,030 --> 01:21:01,360
it's right next to an oil tanker you

2316
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:03,040
know out on the ocean and then

2317
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:04,560
it's hovering there and then the next

2318
01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:06,880
second it just goes into the ocean

2319
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,760
at an angle like this without splashing

2320
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:11,840
any water without any interference

2321
01:21:15,189 --> 01:21:13,120
physical interference on the

2322
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:15,199
surroundings absolutely incredible and

2323
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,440
just gone the ufo is gone

2324
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,840
um and this has been reported as well

2325
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:21,360
all around the world

2326
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:24,159
the ufos in the ocean in the mountains

2327
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,840
are flying into mountains

2328
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:28,000
what that that's part of the mystery

2329
01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:29,679
that really gets me i

2330
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,600
i don't really care so much anymore

2331
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:33,199
about who they are or what they are i

2332
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,480
just want to know like

2333
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,960
what is it uh in regards to the inside

2334
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,159
of our earth or

2335
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,400
underneath our oceans what why are they

2336
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,560
going into there fall like that's where

2337
01:21:45,750 --> 01:21:44,080
i'm at at the moment it's kind of doing

2338
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,760
my head in i want to find out

2339
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:47,120
are they living there are there

2340
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:48,960
underground bases are there you know

2341
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:49,840
what's happening

2342
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:51,440
i want to get a submarine and go and

2343
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:54,880
check it out but i don't have one

2344
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:57,679
yeah yeah um yeah there's there's so

2345
01:21:59,830 --> 01:21:58,239
much

2346
01:22:01,430 --> 01:21:59,840
room under there they could certainly

2347
01:22:02,149 --> 01:22:01,440
hide if that's what they're whatever

2348
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:02,159
they are

2349
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,320
if that's what they're doing um someone

2350
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,560
wants to know do the orbs ever respond

2351
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,320
to you or your thoughts

2352
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:11,199
this is going back to the orbs are the

2353
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,719
orbs of light

2354
01:22:16,870 --> 01:22:15,600
okay yeah i don't like to say this but a

2355
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:16,880
few times maybe

2356
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:18,960
four or five times in my whole life out

2357
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,400
of all my sightings

2358
01:22:24,229 --> 01:22:22,320
i've put thoughts across there or

2359
01:22:25,430 --> 01:22:24,239
whatever and just just to see

2360
01:22:27,110 --> 01:22:25,440
you know because a lot of people would

2361
01:22:28,390 --> 01:22:27,120
say oh have you done this if you tried

2362
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:28,400
this or whatever

2363
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,400
like no no that doesn't that's not the

2364
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,000
way it works but i've tried it

2365
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,000
and on four or five occasions i don't

2366
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:36,000
know if it's a coincidence or whatever

2367
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:36,800
but

2368
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,800
they've changed direction or they've

2369
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:40,239
they've grown larger

2370
01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:43,040
um and flashed a bright flash from the

2371
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:43,600
sky

2372
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:47,040
or stuff like that so out of all the

2373
01:22:50,070 --> 01:22:48,560
sightings i've had it's only happened

2374
01:22:52,310 --> 01:22:50,080
you know four or five times

2375
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:52,320
where you know so i can't say that oh

2376
01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:53,280
yeah 100

2377
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,199
because out of a couple hundred

2378
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,040
sightings you know four or five times

2379
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:59,520
isn't enough to say that oh yeah that's

2380
01:23:04,709 --> 01:23:01,360
definite yes

2381
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:04,719
so you know it's um but it did happen in

2382
01:23:07,350 --> 01:23:05,440
front of um

2383
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:07,360
some herald reporters that i had in the

2384
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:08,639
backyard here

2385
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,800
and they came into town and they saw

2386
01:23:14,629 --> 01:23:12,400
ufos come over and

2387
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,639
but before that mariana flynn said to me

2388
01:23:18,629 --> 01:23:16,320
oh can you get your friends to come

2389
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:18,639
and i was like oh no no no stress or

2390
01:23:20,950 --> 01:23:19,360
anything and

2391
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,960
like as if i've got them on a rope i can

2392
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:22,560
pull them down or something like that

2393
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:23,280
you know

2394
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,880
and i was like yeah all right but i

2395
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:26,639
tried and i thought i just sat there and

2396
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,360
i was silent

2397
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:29,600
we had the reporters over here ran in

2398
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:31,360
the yard for like five minutes

2399
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:34,080
and then i thought and within five

2400
01:23:37,110 --> 01:23:34,880
seconds

2401
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:37,120
over the house two balls of light white

2402
01:23:40,470 --> 01:23:38,080
balls of light

2403
01:23:42,149 --> 01:23:40,480
are playing a game of tag across the sky

2404
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:42,159
and go right over the house and the

2405
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:43,840
reporters see it

2406
01:23:48,310 --> 01:23:46,800
the ufo president ladies saw it they're

2407
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:48,320
all just blown away they didn't know

2408
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:49,040
what to do

2409
01:23:53,110 --> 01:23:50,880
they just stared at these two things

2410
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:53,120
playing a game of tag across the sky

2411
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:55,280
changing speed uh catching up to each

2412
01:23:58,550 --> 01:23:56,960
other then the one in front would speed

2413
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:58,560
ahead then the other one would speed up

2414
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:59,040
and

2415
01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:01,120
this happened for about three minutes

2416
01:24:03,990 --> 01:24:02,400
across the sky and they were just

2417
01:24:06,149 --> 01:24:04,000
playing this slow game of tag

2418
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:06,159
it was just couldn't have asked for

2419
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:07,280
anything more in front of these

2420
01:24:10,229 --> 01:24:08,000
reporters

2421
01:24:12,070 --> 01:24:10,239
at the time that they're at a house

2422
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:12,080
talking about a guy who's seen ufos in

2423
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:13,040
town and then

2424
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:16,080
two come over the house it was just luck

2425
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:18,080
or coincidence or sometimes it doesn't

2426
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,520
feel like that you know sometimes it

2427
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:21,199
feels like it's almost

2428
01:24:25,110 --> 01:24:23,280
pre-ordained or there's something more

2429
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:25,120
to this um than what

2430
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:27,520
meets the eye than just um maybe you

2431
01:24:30,390 --> 01:24:28,560
know maybe

2432
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,400
there's more to it than just luck with

2433
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:31,679
my captures you know

2434
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:34,800
i don't know i really don't so yeah

2435
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:37,840
yeah interesting um have you seen this

2436
01:24:41,510 --> 01:24:39,120
is a question

2437
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:41,520
um you want this person want to know

2438
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:43,199
have you seen the uss

2439
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:46,239
omaha video recently that's uh out there

2440
01:24:51,990 --> 01:24:49,920
where the ufo uh slash uso

2441
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,000
it appears to like go into the ocean no

2442
01:24:57,030 --> 01:24:53,840
splash or anything apparently

2443
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:57,040
but um the question is have you actually

2444
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:58,560
seen that the video that's

2445
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,000
floating around um on the internet now

2446
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,960
actually i i did see a uh screenshot of

2447
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:06,320
it i think i haven't actually watched

2448
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:07,440
the video yet though

2449
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:09,040
so i'm gonna have a look at it check it

2450
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:11,199
out later but yeah it's good if they've

2451
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:12,400
got footage of that happening

2452
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:14,080
i'm sure it'd show the same thing as

2453
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:15,760
what mine captured they don't seem to

2454
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,639
affect the

2455
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:18,960
physical surrounds so you dive into

2456
01:25:21,830 --> 01:25:21,040
water no splash no effect on the water

2457
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:21,840
whatsoever

2458
01:25:24,950 --> 01:25:23,679
they could dive in and land similar

2459
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,960
effect so yeah

2460
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:27,040
it's good that they're releasing some

2461
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,000
footage

2462
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:30,800
yeah it is well this is another jeremy

2463
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:31,440
corbell

2464
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:34,480
uh released video and this is

2465
01:25:39,430 --> 01:25:37,679
also another iphone capture of a screen

2466
01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,440
so uh that's what these have been have

2467
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:41,280
been iphone captures that is releasing

2468
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:42,880
it makes me really wonder

2469
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,080
um the source of these things so uh uh

2470
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,800
of course i haven't i haven't spoken to

2471
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:50,159
i haven't spoken to

2472
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:53,280
myself yeah well

2473
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:56,719
um yeah i'm not sure but uh

2474
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,960
it is really interesting and there is a

2475
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,480
lot of talk now

2476
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,480
out there about you know the different

2477
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:04,159
mediums that these things seem to be

2478
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:04,880
able to

2479
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:07,440
go through without any changes it is

2480
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:08,880
really interesting

2481
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:12,800
um and as far as uh

2482
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:15,760
the have you seen have you filmed in

2483
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:17,920
there no drones out there right i mean

2484
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:20,400
this is really bizarre uh you don't see

2485
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:22,080
any drones out your way anyway because

2486
01:26:25,030 --> 01:26:23,520
you said you're in a kind of a low

2487
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,040
populated area but

2488
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:27,199
are there any military bases anywhere

2489
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:28,719
near you

2490
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,520
uh most of us here they're about two

2491
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:33,679
hours away oh sorry about three hour

2492
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,320
drive away there's a military base

2493
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:39,280
um and it's up at newcastle uh maybe

2494
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:40,320
three and a half hours something like

2495
01:26:43,750 --> 01:26:41,760
that yeah it's um

2496
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,760
pretty far north that's the closest one

2497
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,120
um and then we've got

2498
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:47,040
they fly every now and then they'll fly

2499
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:48,400
their jets

2500
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:51,040
across dunny do here and now head out to

2501
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:52,480
a place called dubbo

2502
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:55,600
and then come back again and you know

2503
01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:58,880
so yeah the area is a

2504
01:27:03,990 --> 01:27:02,080
military fly area um but

2505
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:04,000
the funny thing is you hardly ever see

2506
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,920
him that most of the times that we see

2507
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,000
military craft come over here

2508
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,239
is when there's a ufo in the area and

2509
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,239
we've we've actually got them on film

2510
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,560
going around and around town here while

2511
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:16,400
there's like flashing lights appearing

2512
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:17,360
behind them

2513
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,719
trailing the uh aircraft um these

2514
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:23,040
ufos that we call flashes flasher type

2515
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:24,320
ufos normally

2516
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:25,760
they're seen higher up in the sky and

2517
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:27,360
they give off a really bright flash and

2518
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:28,639
then they'll move over here give a

2519
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,600
bright flash

2520
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:31,600
over here and then sort of stick around

2521
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,360
the same spot some of them move and

2522
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:35,040
change direction while they're flashing

2523
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,800
and doing all sorts of really bizarre

2524
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,239
things in the sky

2525
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,920
but between the flashes most of the time

2526
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,520
they're actually invisible so we're

2527
01:27:45,830 --> 01:27:43,120
seeing a lot of that type of

2528
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:45,840
strange uap activity i've seen it for

2529
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,400
you know i think about 15 years myself

2530
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:50,000
but i haven't been capturing them until

2531
01:27:54,149 --> 01:27:51,920
the last decade

2532
01:27:55,350 --> 01:27:54,159
so that's another phenomenon also that

2533
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,360
seems to be

2534
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:57,600
linked to the uap phenomenon whatever

2535
01:28:00,470 --> 01:27:58,639
that is

2536
01:28:02,310 --> 01:28:00,480
um they seem to be some sort of

2537
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:02,320
invisible protectors in the sky

2538
01:28:06,149 --> 01:28:04,080
because i've been filming other ufos and

2539
01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:06,159
these flashing objects will

2540
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:09,120
intercept these other like ufos actually

2541
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:10,880
moving through our sky

2542
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,679
um and in between the flashes time night

2543
01:28:18,229 --> 01:28:15,679
time it doesn't matter they're up there

2544
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,239
um and we've got footage of them during

2545
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:20,000
both daytime and night time showing

2546
01:28:23,189 --> 01:28:20,560
something

2547
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,199
hovering above buildings in the city um

2548
01:28:27,910 --> 01:28:25,120
giving off bright flashes and then

2549
01:28:29,669 --> 01:28:27,920
disappearing you know there's no link

2550
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:29,679
between the flashes there's no

2551
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,000
timing between the flashes they're quite

2552
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,159
random and also the fact that they

2553
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:35,840
some of the flashes are quite large and

2554
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:37,440
quite bright some of them are quite

2555
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:38,560
small and fast

2556
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:40,480
um some of them change color to a

2557
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,719
different color um an orangey or a red

2558
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,159
color when they flash

2559
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,080
they're really strange so whatever they

2560
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,760
are i know that the um

2561
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,440
and from what we saw with the military

2562
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:51,199
craft here um

2563
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:53,280
the two jets that came into town what we

2564
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:55,840
saw the military must know about them

2565
01:28:59,830 --> 01:28:58,000
because that they're going around while

2566
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:59,840
we had multiple ones in the sky that

2567
01:29:02,390 --> 01:29:01,440
night that were seen by multiple people

2568
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:02,400
in the town here

2569
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:04,719
um even just hovering above telegraph

2570
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:05,760
poles

2571
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:08,159
um they'd come down that low sometimes

2572
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,440
so

2573
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:11,679
it's really strange the whole thing is

2574
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:12,719
really bizarre

2575
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:15,199
so i think right they haven't told

2576
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,560
people because it probably freaked a lot

2577
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:18,000
of people out this truth

2578
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:19,760
you know or would have back in the day

2579
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:21,440
maybe nowadays because of the internet

2580
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,639
and everything and people are more

2581
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,480
open-minded to the phenomenon

2582
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,920
maybe now we'll take it in a different

2583
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:27,840
way but yeah

2584
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:30,560
we'll soon find out i guess yeah uh

2585
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,360
question have

2586
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:33,840
have you ever had any discussions with

2587
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:34,800
any of the uh

2588
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:38,719
aboriginal population about these things

2589
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,800
yeah um i've discussed this with a

2590
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:42,239
couple aboriginal people a couple of

2591
01:29:45,590 --> 01:29:43,440
elders um

2592
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:45,600
there's actually a park here um a

2593
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:46,880
national park

2594
01:29:50,629 --> 01:29:49,920
um about maybe 50 minutes drive north of

2595
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:50,639
here

2596
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,840
and you know you go up into the

2597
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:53,040
mountains and everything and there's a

2598
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,800
legend in this forest

2599
01:29:58,470 --> 01:29:56,800
um it's a really ancient forest you know

2600
01:29:59,990 --> 01:29:58,480
the ones with the massive trees and they

2601
01:30:01,990 --> 01:30:00,000
go up really really high

2602
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,000
and they um you know it blocks out the

2603
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:03,920
sky and there's a weird mist

2604
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,440
in the place and it's kind of one of

2605
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:07,199
those eerie kind of

2606
01:30:10,310 --> 01:30:08,960
you know rainforest kind of places

2607
01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:10,320
anyway i'm going back

2608
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,679
you know thousands of years there's

2609
01:30:14,790 --> 01:30:14,080
actually a legend of the pleiadi star

2610
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,800
system

2611
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:16,719
written on a tablet when you go into

2612
01:30:20,229 --> 01:30:18,880
this place and it's the aboriginal tribe

2613
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:20,239
that used to live there

2614
01:30:24,629 --> 01:30:23,600
would speak of a barry yucca which is

2615
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:24,639
like a sky

2616
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:28,000
god a god in a ball of light that would

2617
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,719
come down

2618
01:30:31,750 --> 01:30:30,400
and cruise across the treetops and they

2619
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:31,760
speak about this

2620
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,719
and one night the well it used to be a

2621
01:30:39,110 --> 01:30:36,480
thing for people in the tribe to go to

2622
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:39,120
the tops of these tall trees to climb up

2623
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:41,679
to witness these lights or this god uh

2624
01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:42,880
flying around

2625
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:45,120
and one night there were several women

2626
01:30:50,950 --> 01:30:47,040
that actually climbed up the tree

2627
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:50,960
and um the the sky guard took them

2628
01:30:54,070 --> 01:30:52,719
uh according to the aboriginal legend

2629
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,080
took them off and they

2630
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:56,239
became the pleiades star system

2631
01:31:00,470 --> 01:30:58,239
according to aboriginal legend

2632
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,480
which is pretty you're pretty out there

2633
01:31:03,270 --> 01:31:02,000
there's a lot of you know legends of

2634
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,280
pleiades and

2635
01:31:07,510 --> 01:31:05,679
very on along similar lines around the

2636
01:31:08,229 --> 01:31:07,520
earth which is pretty fascinating as

2637
01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:08,239
well

2638
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:11,920
um but here in this place uh you know uh

2639
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,000
but they added a bit of a funny bit to

2640
01:31:18,070 --> 01:31:16,000
it um because one of the stars

2641
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:18,080
in the pleiades star system isn't as

2642
01:31:21,830 --> 01:31:20,000
bright as the other stars

2643
01:31:23,590 --> 01:31:21,840
the aboriginals said that that's because

2644
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:23,600
the woman that was taken

2645
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:26,159
was not as pretty as the other woman as

2646
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:27,840
the other women that were taken

2647
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:40,229
we have joanie from pennsylvania on the

2648
01:31:48,950 --> 01:31:44,320
line hi joanie welcome to the show

2649
01:31:50,390 --> 01:31:48,960
tony are you there hi there yes i'm here

2650
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,400
hi you have a question for our guests

2651
01:31:56,310 --> 01:31:52,080
tonight

2652
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:56,320
yes i do um how has pogba 19

2653
01:32:01,350 --> 01:31:59,199
and the wildfires in australia affected

2654
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:01,360
the bigfoot and ufo community

2655
01:32:07,110 --> 01:32:04,560
expeditions there

2656
01:32:07,590 --> 01:32:07,120
oh yeah everything's uh slowed right

2657
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:07,600
down

2658
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:09,040
you know if i think if there's

2659
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:11,120
exhibitions they've been

2660
01:32:15,350 --> 01:32:13,600
on on on the phone or on a zoom call or

2661
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:15,360
a conference call or whatever the case

2662
01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:16,480
is um

2663
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:18,880
yeah but everything's you know because

2664
01:32:23,189 --> 01:32:20,880
of the not so much the fires

2665
01:32:24,310 --> 01:32:23,199
as much now i mean they're mostly over

2666
01:32:26,229 --> 01:32:24,320
it's the um

2667
01:32:27,990 --> 01:32:26,239
it's more the covert has really affected

2668
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:28,000
everything uh slowed everything right

2669
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:29,120
down and

2670
01:32:32,070 --> 01:32:30,560
you know doing talks and presents you

2671
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:32,080
can't have certain amount of people in

2672
01:32:34,310 --> 01:32:33,040
one room

2673
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,320
and you know all this stuff and you go

2674
01:32:38,149 --> 01:32:36,320
socially distance and everything

2675
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:38,159
six feet apart and everything so yeah

2676
01:32:41,189 --> 01:32:39,600
it's been a bit hard to do any of that

2677
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:41,199
sort of stuff so

2678
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:43,199
um yeah everything's slowed right down

2679
01:32:49,189 --> 01:32:44,880
the whole paranormal field

2680
01:32:52,149 --> 01:32:49,199
so anything else joanie

2681
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:52,159
yes i wanna know have there ever been

2682
01:32:56,390 --> 01:32:53,040
any mass

2683
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:56,400
sightings in australia the ufos

2684
01:33:02,550 --> 01:33:00,000
in the cities in the past few years

2685
01:33:03,189 --> 01:33:02,560
because there's been any sightings of

2686
01:33:04,870 --> 01:33:03,199
your

2687
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:04,880
mass scientists mass sightings well a

2688
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:06,960
lot of people a lot of witnesses

2689
01:33:10,550 --> 01:33:09,040
not not really no not really in

2690
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:10,560
australia i mean there's been

2691
01:33:16,390 --> 01:33:14,080
actually i lie i don't like it

2692
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:16,400
five probably about five years ago there

2693
01:33:21,990 --> 01:33:18,719
was a kind of like a mass sighting where

2694
01:33:23,669 --> 01:33:22,000
a gentleman from um randwick uh said

2695
01:33:25,990 --> 01:33:23,679
that he spotted an object

2696
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:26,000
over randwick racecourse uh and this was

2697
01:33:28,950 --> 01:33:27,840
early in the morning about 7 30 or

2698
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,960
something and then

2699
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:30,800
so from there he called up the radio

2700
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:32,159
station and the radio

2701
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:33,840
was talking about it and people then

2702
01:33:36,229 --> 01:33:35,520
calling in saying i see it too i see it

2703
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:36,239
too and

2704
01:33:39,669 --> 01:33:38,560
so i actually got my cameras out i heard

2705
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:39,679
about this and

2706
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:41,600
i looked outside and oh my there's this

2707
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:42,800
thing you know

2708
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:45,920
wow i filmed it on i filmed it on about

2709
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:48,560
17 different cameras i think i went a

2710
01:33:51,510 --> 01:33:50,239
bit overboard but it stayed there in the

2711
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:51,520
one spot for ages

2712
01:33:55,750 --> 01:33:53,679
you know the wind was going everything

2713
01:33:57,750 --> 01:33:55,760
nothing was affecting this thing

2714
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:57,760
uh and i got really close to it we even

2715
01:34:02,070 --> 01:34:00,159
had a black helicopter go right up to it

2716
01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:02,080
circle it underneath it and then take

2717
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:04,239
off and then hover over here for a while

2718
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:04,800
and

2719
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:07,280
yeah it was really really bizarre um so

2720
01:34:11,510 --> 01:34:09,120
a lot of people saw that one

2721
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:11,520
um but they tried to explain i made the

2722
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:13,040
news and everything here but

2723
01:34:16,709 --> 01:34:14,880
they tried to explain it away as what

2724
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:16,719
was it the google loon balloon

2725
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:18,400
that had come down low and was just

2726
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:19,840
sitting there and

2727
01:34:23,270 --> 01:34:21,840
doing nothing so apparently it was the

2728
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:23,280
google loon balloon but

2729
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:24,800
i don't believe that i saw the google

2730
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:26,880
loom balloon i know that it's got a lot

2731
01:34:31,270 --> 01:34:28,639
dangling from the underside of it

2732
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:31,280
and there was nothing there and the fact

2733
01:34:35,030 --> 01:34:33,280
that you know i know balloons i've

2734
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:35,040
i've filmed them for years and i've seen

2735
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,320
them for years we know

2736
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:37,760
that a little bit of wind will bring him

2737
01:34:40,310 --> 01:34:39,440
over this way or take him that way or

2738
01:34:42,310 --> 01:34:40,320
whatever but

2739
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:42,320
this thing just stayed perfectly still

2740
01:34:45,590 --> 01:34:43,520
for at least

2741
01:34:47,109 --> 01:34:45,600
you know an hour and a half to allow us

2742
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:47,119
to film it so

2743
01:34:50,790 --> 01:34:49,119
um and you've seen that there's wind

2744
01:34:52,470 --> 01:34:50,800
everywhere in the video and the trees

2745
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,480
are going everywhere and but this thing

2746
01:34:55,669 --> 01:34:55,119
perfectly still so i don't know of any

2747
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,679
uh

2748
01:35:00,229 --> 01:34:57,760
physics bending google loon balloon that

2749
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:00,239
can do that myself

2750
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:03,440
excellent well joni thanks so much

2751
01:35:10,390 --> 01:35:08,709
thank you all right we have scott

2752
01:35:12,229 --> 01:35:10,400
calling from massachusetts

2753
01:35:15,510 --> 01:35:12,239
by the way the number if you're

2754
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:15,520
listening is 85547

2755
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,600
bill is standing by scott welcome to the

2756
01:35:22,470 --> 01:35:19,440
show

2757
01:35:24,550 --> 01:35:22,480
how are you martin i'm doing well

2758
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,560
thank you you have a question for our

2759
01:35:28,950 --> 01:35:26,880
guest tonight

2760
01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:28,960
yeah damian how are you this is scott

2761
01:35:34,709 --> 01:35:30,719
brown

2762
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:34,719
hey scott how's it going how are you

2763
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:38,719
hey um i was wondering

2764
01:35:45,990 --> 01:35:42,960
um i'm currently using uh

2765
01:35:48,149 --> 01:35:46,000
a psionics color night vision camera

2766
01:35:50,310 --> 01:35:48,159
for the work that i'm doing uh during

2767
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:50,320
the night shots

2768
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:53,280
and i was wondering uh what is your you

2769
01:35:58,950 --> 01:35:55,440
know what is your favorite equipment

2770
01:36:01,750 --> 01:35:58,960
for daytime night time

2771
01:36:02,390 --> 01:36:01,760
well i use something quite simple it's

2772
01:36:04,709 --> 01:36:02,400
easy

2773
01:36:05,510 --> 01:36:04,719
uh my favorite camera for shooting

2774
01:36:08,830 --> 01:36:05,520
daytime

2775
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:08,840
is a panasonic hc vx

2776
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:12,159
870m camera and i love that

2777
01:36:16,390 --> 01:36:13,840
i mean it's 4k you know it's not the

2778
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:16,400
best quality 4k but it's decent but

2779
01:36:19,830 --> 01:36:18,000
uh the good thing i like about it it's

2780
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,840
got old-school night vision you know

2781
01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:21,840
like the old-school sony night vision so

2782
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:23,119
you can actually

2783
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:27,360
attach a infrared r72 kenko lens

2784
01:36:32,149 --> 01:36:30,560
just say on top of the night vision

2785
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:32,159
turn it on during the daytime and you

2786
01:36:37,109 --> 01:36:34,960
can actually film invisible type ufos

2787
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:37,119
with this particular camera during the

2788
01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,679
time and also uh night time as well it's

2789
01:36:43,189 --> 01:36:41,600
got a manual jog wheel as well which

2790
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:43,199
helps and you can pick them up now for

2791
01:36:45,430 --> 01:36:43,920
you know five

2792
01:36:47,590 --> 01:36:45,440
four hundred dollars for fifty five

2793
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:47,600
hundred it came out a few years back it

2794
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:48,320
was you know

2795
01:36:51,990 --> 01:36:50,080
eight ninety or nine hundred dollars or

2796
01:36:53,189 --> 01:36:52,000
something but a lot of people ask me and

2797
01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:53,199
i just say look

2798
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:56,159
keep it simple uh yeah the panasonic

2799
01:36:58,550 --> 01:36:58,159
camera is quite simple to use easy you

2800
01:37:01,590 --> 01:36:58,560
can

2801
01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:01,600
modify it the whole kit uh but nighttime

2802
01:37:08,070 --> 01:37:04,840
i like to use a uh what's called an igen

2803
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:08,080
2020 um camera

2804
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:10,080
which is really good because you can

2805
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,760
it's got a decent picture quality

2806
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:14,080
you can adjust the colors in it as well

2807
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,679
make it multiple different colors not

2808
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:16,960
just green or white

2809
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:19,199
um you can make it all different colors

2810
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:20,320
you can also um

2811
01:37:24,470 --> 01:37:23,679
you know it's got the manual adjustments

2812
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:24,480
it's got

2813
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:27,679
also the best part is the external

2814
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:30,719
video recording capabilities where you

2815
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:33,280
can actually record it to a an external

2816
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:36,800
video unit which increases the quality

2817
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:37,840
of the

2818
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,800
photo or video you're trying to get the

2819
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:41,840
only problem with the

2820
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:45,360
igen 2020 is it has a built-in

2821
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:48,800
sd card recorder but uh

2822
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:50,880
it doesn't record video it only records

2823
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:51,920
photograph

2824
01:37:55,590 --> 01:37:53,679
so you got to get an external little

2825
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:55,600
recording unit and you can record the

2826
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:57,600
video to the external unit

2827
01:38:00,950 --> 01:38:00,480
and that's the cheapest best for the

2828
01:38:04,629 --> 01:38:00,960
price

2829
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:04,639
uh unit that i recommend to anybody so

2830
01:38:10,790 --> 01:38:09,199
for night time great great footage so

2831
01:38:13,750 --> 01:38:10,800
well i'm glad you're still out there

2832
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:15,669
i i don't hunt them like i've had more

2833
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:17,920
luck just kind of ignoring them myself

2834
01:38:22,550 --> 01:38:18,880
but

2835
01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:22,560
yeah thanks i appreciate that

2836
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:29,669
so all right next we have brett from

2837
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:32,800
tennessee welcome to the show brett

2838
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:35,920
hey thank you hi

2839
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:38,880
again you have a question for our guest

2840
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:39,520
yeah i do

2841
01:38:44,550 --> 01:38:42,400
a couple of questions here first how's

2842
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:44,560
the yowie doing these days

2843
01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:53,350
how's the bigfoot going yeah

2844
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:56,320
he's getting some shots but uh i wanted

2845
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,639
to ask you uh

2846
01:39:02,790 --> 01:39:00,560
i have some friends that are you know

2847
01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:02,800
what you would call ghost hunters and

2848
01:39:06,310 --> 01:39:04,480
it's it's kind of like this digital

2849
01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:06,320
analog question that

2850
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:08,320
i'm just curious about if you use film

2851
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:09,840
cameras

2852
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:12,800
alongside with your digital gear and if

2853
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:13,199
so

2854
01:39:19,270 --> 01:39:16,480
if you uh have

2855
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:19,280
find more results with film compared to

2856
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:22,480
digital or vice versa

2857
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:24,560
actually i don't use uh video cameras

2858
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:26,960
anymore i've used them in the past i've

2859
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,480
had them on the tripods next to the

2860
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:30,480
digitals and actually i

2861
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:33,199
had no more luck with the film than i'm

2862
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,239
getting with the

2863
01:39:37,830 --> 01:39:36,080
digital recordings that i'm doing with

2864
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,840
the digital cameras so

2865
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:40,400
yeah i mean some people i mean have had

2866
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:41,040
some

2867
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:43,280
luck with the digi with the uh film type

2868
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:44,639
cameras still

2869
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:47,119
uh you know and i like uh old-school

2870
01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:49,440
film cameras as well it's just um

2871
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:51,920
digital's just so much easier to use and

2872
01:39:54,070 --> 01:39:52,560
you know i

2873
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,080
i just i've never had luck it's like

2874
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:56,800
with um when people ask me about the c5s

2875
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,239
have you had much luck with that no

2876
01:40:01,669 --> 01:40:00,159
i haven't unfortunately like out of

2877
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:01,679
several that i've attempted you know

2878
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:02,880
i've only seen something

2879
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:05,679
a couple of times and that's when i took

2880
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:06,880
off away from the group

2881
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:10,639
um so yeah i i don't know it's um

2882
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:12,239
it's just one of those things it's

2883
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:15,920
different for different people so

2884
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,760
yeah again one last question first off

2885
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:19,760
good uh i'll have to watch some of your

2886
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:20,960
other documentaries

2887
01:40:24,390 --> 01:40:23,280
australian skies was a great piece of

2888
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,400
work uh

2889
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,360
were you uh always interested in

2890
01:40:30,709 --> 01:40:29,040
documentary filmmaking or was it like

2891
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:30,719
your passion requests for

2892
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:33,440
the unknown that made you want to push

2893
01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:34,239
this out

2894
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:36,880
into the public eye more so that turn

2895
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:37,360
you know

2896
01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,280
pushed you into the documentary

2897
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:40,960
filmmaking

2898
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:43,520
uh yeah it's it's basically because i

2899
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:46,000
wanted to tell my story on my grounds

2900
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:48,080
um and not on some other documentary

2901
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,119
makers grounds

2902
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:51,520
um i wanted to you know because it's

2903
01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:52,880
like with hollywood and hollywood

2904
01:40:56,790 --> 01:40:54,960
studios when they do true stories right

2905
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:56,800
it's all they always add something like

2906
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:58,800
a love story or they add some extra

2907
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,800
just rubbish to make it you know more

2908
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:03,520
palpable for more audiences or whatever

2909
01:41:07,189 --> 01:41:05,520
but me i just wanted to tell the story

2910
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,199
the way it is the way that

2911
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:09,840
it comes from myself from my heart my my

2912
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,600
memory and everything like that

2913
01:41:14,790 --> 01:41:13,520
and not have it changed by someone else

2914
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:14,800
so that's why i thought hey it's the

2915
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:15,840
best thing if you're going to say

2916
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:16,320
something

2917
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:18,159
it's best to say yourself in life not

2918
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,080
have someone else say it for you or

2919
01:41:22,629 --> 01:41:21,600
change what you're saying or whatever

2920
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:22,639
the case is so

2921
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:24,639
i had a couple of bad sort of run-ins

2922
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:26,080
where that happened in the beginning and

2923
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,199
i just thought okay well now i'm going

2924
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,960
to start doing it myself and

2925
01:41:32,709 --> 01:41:30,480
you know then i can just sort of get

2926
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,719
past the whole uh

2927
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:34,080
people trying to blow it out of the

2928
01:41:38,070 --> 01:41:36,080
water and trying to yeah

2929
01:41:39,910 --> 01:41:38,080
in a way like when people make all these

2930
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:39,920
stuff up that you didn't say or

2931
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:43,840
or try and um extenuate what you did say

2932
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:46,960
just to make it more you know or

2933
01:41:50,709 --> 01:41:48,480
get more people to watch or whatever the

2934
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:50,719
case is which a lot of people do like

2935
01:41:54,310 --> 01:41:52,960
um in conferences here in australia

2936
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,320
they'll call me like

2937
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,639
stupid things like ufo magnet or

2938
01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:58,320
whatever it's just to get people to come

2939
01:42:02,070 --> 01:42:00,080
or get people to you know come to the

2940
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:02,080
talk or whatever it's ridiculous but

2941
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:03,679
just the way it is same with hollywood

2942
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:05,119
and same with um

2943
01:42:08,470 --> 01:42:06,960
everything else so i'm not i just want

2944
01:42:11,030 --> 01:42:08,480
to do it myself

2945
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:11,040
do it just the way it is speak from the

2946
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:12,480
heart and you know that's

2947
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,080
that's my direction with this anyway

2948
01:42:19,590 --> 01:42:15,760
without going into the

2949
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:19,600
filmmaking side of it more so

2950
01:42:23,430 --> 01:42:22,159
awesome thanks thanks for your time no

2951
01:42:25,750 --> 01:42:23,440
worries hey don't worry

2952
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:25,760
hey brett uh yeah thanks thanks for the

2953
01:42:30,310 --> 01:42:26,840
call so

2954
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:30,320
uh the lines are yeah all right thanks

2955
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:33,360
all right the lines are open and

2956
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:36,080
uh let's see looks like i'm i'm getting

2957
01:42:39,510 --> 01:42:37,280
a call

2958
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:39,520
from someone that i can't i think she's

2959
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:40,320
uh

2960
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:42,320
trying to call she's from australia i'll

2961
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:43,600
try to talk to her

2962
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:46,320
on how to uh dial the the the show

2963
01:42:50,390 --> 01:42:47,119
number

2964
01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:50,400
um but anyway um

2965
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:52,320
what i what i want to ask you is the

2966
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:54,000
question that people must

2967
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:56,880
ask you a lot and that is why you you

2968
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:58,960
know why are people

2969
01:43:02,229 --> 01:43:01,520
uh i mean why are ufos attracted to you

2970
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:02,239
you just said

2971
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:05,119
ufo magnet well i i can sort of

2972
01:43:08,790 --> 01:43:06,000
understand that

2973
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,800
and and where that comes from but why do

2974
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:11,280
you think that is

2975
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,320
uh i wish i had an answer

2976
01:43:18,310 --> 01:43:16,560
um and look i i think i've always put it

2977
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,320
down to it's because i look up

2978
01:43:22,310 --> 01:43:20,400
probably more than most people do right

2979
01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:22,320
and the more you look up the better

2980
01:43:25,109 --> 01:43:24,000
chance you have of seeing something at

2981
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:25,119
the end of the day

2982
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,960
so most people i know for a fact don't

2983
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:28,480
even bother looking up at the sky

2984
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:30,159
maybe once a blue moon they'll look up

2985
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:31,760
at the sun or something or

2986
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:34,080
the moon or whatever and most of the

2987
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,840
time they're on the video games they're

2988
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:37,119
at work or they're

2989
01:43:40,149 --> 01:43:39,600
whatever living life right most people

2990
01:43:43,109 --> 01:43:40,159
don't even

2991
01:43:45,109 --> 01:43:43,119
go so i'm probably a little bit luckier

2992
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:45,119
than most because i do bother to look up

2993
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,920
because

2994
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:47,520
i've had you know this has been

2995
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:48,960
throughout my whole life since i was a

2996
01:43:52,709 --> 01:43:50,080
kid so it's

2997
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:52,719
all i know is that these things are

2998
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,679
around and

2999
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:55,600
so every now and then yeah i do look up

3000
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:56,719
probably more than most and that's

3001
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:57,760
probably why i see

3002
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:00,960
more than most people so um

3003
01:44:08,070 --> 01:44:04,159
yeah i mean a lot of people can

3004
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:08,080
go their entire life and never see

3005
01:44:12,790 --> 01:44:10,960
not even one so and then it's just

3006
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:12,800
happening over and over i mean

3007
01:44:18,070 --> 01:44:15,840
and and it's not just exactly

3008
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:18,080
the place you live i mean you go to

3009
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:20,000
other places and you see them or people

3010
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:22,000
see them around you i mean do you ever

3011
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:24,000
think there's i'm i'm not

3012
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:26,239
trying to create any type of conspiracy

3013
01:44:30,470 --> 01:44:28,480
but i mean do people

3014
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:30,480
other people also question is there

3015
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:32,719
something about you that makes

3016
01:44:36,149 --> 01:44:35,440
you um see able to see these things

3017
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:36,159
where

3018
01:44:41,510 --> 01:44:38,000
um you know again someone can go their

3019
01:44:43,030 --> 01:44:41,520
entire life and not see one single thing

3020
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:43,040
yeah that's a good point i do get asked

3021
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:44,880
that question quite of

3022
01:44:54,310 --> 01:44:52,550
look i i wish i could say hey yeah i'm

3023
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:54,320
special or something like that but i

3024
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:55,280
can't say that

3025
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:56,960
as far as i know i'm just a normal

3026
01:45:01,109 --> 01:44:59,199
person my life has been sort of

3027
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:01,119
you know up and down and weird since i

3028
01:45:04,870 --> 01:45:03,199
was a little kid you know i had a mother

3029
01:45:06,629 --> 01:45:04,880
who was a bit out there and a bit

3030
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:06,639
whatever and you know my life is

3031
01:45:09,510 --> 01:45:07,040
probably

3032
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:09,520
not as normal as most people's so i've

3033
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:10,960
looked into that i thought is it got

3034
01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:12,480
something to do with my upbringing but

3035
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:14,239
no a lot of people have bad upbringings

3036
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:16,000
and they don't go and see ufos their

3037
01:45:19,590 --> 01:45:17,280
whole life you know and

3038
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:19,600
so it's like okay they've ruled that out

3039
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:21,840
um family history is a family history

3040
01:45:25,109 --> 01:45:23,119
you know the first not

3041
01:45:26,790 --> 01:45:25,119
um my line on my father's side of the

3042
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:26,800
family was a um

3043
01:45:33,189 --> 01:45:30,880
a a viking king called king canute

3044
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:33,199
who invaded england a thousand years ago

3045
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:34,880
became king of england and that he was

3046
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:36,960
he was the first of my family line

3047
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,600
of knots so i mean i've looked into that

3048
01:45:43,030 --> 01:45:41,520
is it because of my family line is that

3049
01:45:46,470 --> 01:45:43,040
why i'm now a thousand years later

3050
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:46,480
seeing ufos or do they follow certain

3051
01:45:49,830 --> 01:45:49,199
lineages or throughout history certain

3052
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:49,840
people

3053
01:45:52,790 --> 01:45:51,440
uh that's what it does seem like it does

3054
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:52,800
seem like that they are following

3055
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:54,719
certain individuals but why

3056
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:57,440
would it skip a thousand years of um you

3057
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:57,760
know

3058
01:46:01,270 --> 01:45:59,679
generations of this one family line and

3059
01:46:03,109 --> 01:46:01,280
then just all sudden hit

3060
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:03,119
one person and smack him in the face a

3061
01:46:05,830 --> 01:46:04,560
thousand years later it doesn't make

3062
01:46:07,830 --> 01:46:05,840
much sense

3063
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,840
but um who knows really with none of the

3064
01:46:10,629 --> 01:46:09,440
phenomenon really makes much sense

3065
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:10,639
anyway so

3066
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:12,400
you know the more the more that you look

3067
01:46:16,310 --> 01:46:14,239
into it the the more

3068
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:16,320
answers that the phenomenon actually

3069
01:46:19,430 --> 01:46:17,440
does throw at you

3070
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:19,440
which is unlike anything else in the

3071
01:46:22,149 --> 01:46:20,480
world the more you look

3072
01:46:23,510 --> 01:46:22,159
if you're a plumber or you're a

3073
01:46:25,270 --> 01:46:23,520
carpenter or whatever the

3074
01:46:27,270 --> 01:46:25,280
more you do your job and the more you

3075
01:46:28,790 --> 01:46:27,280
find out about it the more you know but

3076
01:46:31,030 --> 01:46:28,800
the more you find out about the ufo

3077
01:46:32,310 --> 01:46:31,040
phenomenon the less you actually do know

3078
01:46:34,390 --> 01:46:32,320
if you're honest to yourself

3079
01:46:35,590 --> 01:46:34,400
and honest to people around you the the

3080
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:35,600
less you do actually know

3081
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:38,480
because it is quite strange in multiple

3082
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:39,760
different ways and

3083
01:46:43,270 --> 01:46:42,000
a lot of people who speak about the ufo

3084
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:43,280
phenomenon and you know

3085
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:44,560
ghost phenomenon and stuff like that

3086
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:46,239
they've never actually even experienced

3087
01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:46,880
it they've got an

3088
01:46:50,470 --> 01:46:48,960
interest in it or they've heard stories

3089
01:46:51,990 --> 01:46:50,480
about it or whatever the case is but

3090
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:52,000
most of them haven't seen it themselves

3091
01:46:56,709 --> 01:46:52,639
so

3092
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:56,719
myself who's researched it

3093
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:58,159
you know and all the cases and

3094
01:47:01,750 --> 01:47:00,080
everything about it for 33 years and

3095
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:01,760
actually seen the phenomenon

3096
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:04,000
at the same time that'll probably be a

3097
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:05,360
bit more helpful on my

3098
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:07,360
end with what i'm doing with the

3099
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:09,040
documentaries with um

3100
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,480
what i'm talking about with ufo

3101
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:12,239
phenomena and everything you know that's

3102
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:13,920
kind of helped me out a lot more than

3103
01:47:16,709 --> 01:47:14,639
just say

3104
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:16,719
someone who's seen something in the sky

3105
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:18,639
a couple of times or whatever and

3106
01:47:22,470 --> 01:47:20,480
you know and starts postulating or

3107
01:47:24,310 --> 01:47:22,480
questioning what it is and a lot of

3108
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:24,320
people who do that who just see maybe

3109
01:47:27,750 --> 01:47:26,159
one or two sightings a lot of them

3110
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:27,760
seem to go over the deep end and i've

3111
01:47:30,310 --> 01:47:29,280
had people who actually think that

3112
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:30,320
they're jesus and

3113
01:47:33,430 --> 01:47:31,440
other people who think that they're

3114
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:33,440
satan and other people they think that

3115
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:34,320
they're special

3116
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:36,639
and they i even know a cult leader who

3117
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:37,679
saw a ufo

3118
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:40,480
and thinks now that he is like jesus so

3119
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:41,280
i mean

3120
01:47:45,270 --> 01:47:43,840
i know how it affects people i know but

3121
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:45,280
me i'm lucky because i've had a

3122
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:47,119
grounding i've seen them since i was a

3123
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,800
young kid so they've become part of my

3124
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:50,080
life so it's not something i've seen at

3125
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:51,920
a later age and then my ego

3126
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:54,800
is huge and massive later on and then

3127
01:47:57,430 --> 01:47:56,000
you know it's something

3128
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:57,440
i don't think i could ever get a huge

3129
01:48:01,590 --> 01:47:59,679
ego from what i've seen and experienced

3130
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:01,600
because some of it's been terrifying

3131
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:02,639
some of it's been

3132
01:48:05,750 --> 01:48:04,880
you know wow amazing and everything and

3133
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:05,760
it's been great

3134
01:48:09,990 --> 01:48:08,320
um proving it to people around me who've

3135
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:10,000
seen it as well that that's been

3136
01:48:12,550 --> 01:48:10,960
excellent because

3137
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:12,560
growing up as a kid i couldn't talk to

3138
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:15,119
anybody about this friends family you

3139
01:48:18,149 --> 01:48:16,480
know people would think you're nuts

3140
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,159
whenever i would talk to somebody about

3141
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:20,080
it they think you're crazy or whatever

3142
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:22,320
and you you can't get past that stigma

3143
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:23,760
and that's why i say to everyone you

3144
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,360
have to see it to believe it like the

3145
01:48:27,990 --> 01:48:27,119
old saying goes you have to see it to

3146
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:28,000
believe it

3147
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:31,760
so let's talk about what was terrifying

3148
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,199
what what type of sighting was

3149
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:36,080
terrifying to you

3150
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:39,119
i had a sighting uh two years ago uh and

3151
01:48:42,470 --> 01:48:39,440
it's

3152
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:42,480
why i'm up here now actually um i got

3153
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:45,440
quite unwell after it um i started

3154
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:46,560
having seizures

3155
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,960
it was a close-up sighting i think i

3156
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:50,719
mentioned it before a purple ball of

3157
01:48:54,149 --> 01:48:51,360
light

3158
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:54,159
above the tree and it gave off like a

3159
01:48:57,430 --> 01:48:55,440
bright white flash

3160
01:48:59,350 --> 01:48:57,440
um you know i held up my arm in front of

3161
01:49:00,629 --> 01:48:59,360
my face i had my dog next to me and

3162
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,639
everything um

3163
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:02,480
my dog started having seizures within a

3164
01:49:06,070 --> 01:49:03,679
few days as well

3165
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:06,080
so my dogs had seizures i i started

3166
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:08,080
having the same seizures

3167
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:09,760
during one of the seizures i fell over

3168
01:49:14,870 --> 01:49:12,239
and broke my back in three places

3169
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,880
so i was late so i had to leave the kind

3170
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:16,960
of the ufo field at that stage and just

3171
01:49:18,950 --> 01:49:17,520
kind of

3172
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:18,960
concentrate on getting healthy and all

3173
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:21,280
that stuff but they found out that after

3174
01:49:25,510 --> 01:49:23,119
this encounter with this light

3175
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:25,520
it just like it only lasted a very small

3176
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:26,400
amount of time

3177
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,239
um and it disappeared but i um the the

3178
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:32,239
following day i started developing a red

3179
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:33,760
mark down my left arm

3180
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:35,599
where i held it up in front of my face

3181
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:36,880
um and

3182
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:38,960
within about a week week and a half it

3183
01:49:42,790 --> 01:49:40,960
started developing into blisters

3184
01:49:44,229 --> 01:49:42,800
um and the blisters were like these

3185
01:49:46,870 --> 01:49:44,239
green blisters

3186
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:46,880
very bizarre looking things um and you

3187
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:49,040
know daily i take photos of it or film

3188
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:50,880
it or whoever's around me will see it

3189
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:51,440
and

3190
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:53,599
it got pretty full-on um that's what

3191
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,119
i'll say that

3192
01:49:59,229 --> 01:49:57,119
but they found out also that i have a

3193
01:50:01,910 --> 01:49:59,239
rare bone disease called ho

3194
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,920
hypophosmatemic osteomalacia which can

3195
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:03,360
be caused by ex

3196
01:50:09,589 --> 01:50:07,440
multiple exposures to radiation so

3197
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:09,599
yeah and they asked me what type of work

3198
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,719
do you do where you work around

3199
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:12,560
radiation and i couldn't answer and say

3200
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:12,960
i

3201
01:50:20,470 --> 01:50:18,800
a well-known whatever ufo magnet

3202
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:20,480
they would have thought i was absolutely

3203
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:22,159
insane obviously

3204
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:24,080
i've had bad reactions from a doctor in

3205
01:50:29,030 --> 01:50:26,320
the past from migraines i used to get

3206
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:29,040
after a close-up contact um with one one

3207
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:29,840
time

3208
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:32,000
and i went to see him you know for some

3209
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,840
migraine medication i had this thing for

3210
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:35,840
three days i couldn't get rid of it

3211
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:37,920
and um surely enough you saw what do you

3212
01:50:42,070 --> 01:50:39,360
think caused it i said well it was a

3213
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:42,080
light a bright light and um that i saw

3214
01:50:45,910 --> 01:50:44,080
and so he started writing out of the

3215
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:45,920
typing on his computer and then printed

3216
01:50:48,070 --> 01:50:47,520
out this thing and handed it to me he

3217
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:48,080
said

3218
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,719
uh before i help you with your migraine

3219
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:52,400
um you need to go down and see these

3220
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:52,880
people

3221
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:55,360
and it was for a mental health uh

3222
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,800
assessment team yeah

3223
01:51:00,229 --> 01:50:58,560
yeah yeah and so he wouldn't help me

3224
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,239
with a headache because

3225
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:02,159
i said i saw i was honest and said i saw

3226
01:51:05,189 --> 01:51:04,080
a ball of light and i just want to see

3227
01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:05,199
his reaction

3228
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:06,960
from it like is if you believe me or

3229
01:51:10,390 --> 01:51:08,560
whatever but no it's just

3230
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:10,400
most doctors still there's still so much

3231
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:12,400
of a stigma attached to it even to this

3232
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:12,880
day

3233
01:51:16,870 --> 01:51:15,440
so right i want to grab this call real

3234
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:16,880
quick because she's calling from down

3235
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:17,760
your way

3236
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,719
she's been on this show before irene

3237
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:22,320
welcome to the show irene we only have a

3238
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:23,280
couple minutes left

3239
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:27,520
sorry irene how are you

3240
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:30,480
i'm good i'm good how are you i'm doing

3241
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:31,280
well

3242
01:51:38,550 --> 01:51:35,199
oh yes here we go

3243
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:38,560
you have a question for our guest uh yes

3244
01:51:43,030 --> 01:51:41,119
um i just wanted to say um hello and

3245
01:51:46,709 --> 01:51:43,040
thank you for coming on the show

3246
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:46,719
um uh yeah look um

3247
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:50,800
fellow australian very proud of you um

3248
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:54,239
keep up the good work thank you for um

3249
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:56,000
taking this very seriously and doing it

3250
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:57,280
very thoroughly

3251
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:59,840
um i just wanted to also just put in

3252
01:52:02,310 --> 01:52:01,360
quickly the westerly incident and the

3253
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,320
gospel

3254
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:04,639
incident are a couple of mass sightings

3255
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:05,520
i don't know if you're aware of the

3256
01:52:08,870 --> 01:52:07,599
western winter 166 so

3257
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:08,880
just for the other viewer that was

3258
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:11,199
asking was a listener that was asking

3259
01:52:21,430 --> 01:52:12,800
if they're having any mass sightings in

3260
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:24,310
yeah yeah yeah coming out i think the

3261
01:52:27,430 --> 01:52:26,080
reservoir wasn't it in relation to

3262
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:27,440
drawing up water that's quite a

3263
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:28,719
fascinating incident

3264
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:32,239
that was up the water yeah yeah

3265
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:35,840
yeah yeah um irene while you're on just

3266
01:52:38,950 --> 01:52:38,159
just a quick second i saw something on

3267
01:52:41,669 --> 01:52:38,960
the news

3268
01:52:43,350 --> 01:52:41,679
uh floating around yesterday about

3269
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:43,360
something new about westall did

3270
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:44,960
something happen

3271
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:47,760
someone come forward or something um

3272
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:48,480
there's

3273
01:52:54,310 --> 01:52:52,880
cameraman uh was uncovered one of the

3274
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:54,320
cameramen that was

3275
01:53:00,229 --> 01:52:58,560
uh news has been located so shane ryan's

3276
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:00,239
got information on that

3277
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:03,599
so yeah um i don't have much more than

3278
01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:04,639
that really

3279
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,199
but just coming back to daniel with your

3280
01:53:09,669 --> 01:53:08,800
with everything that's coming out with

3281
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:09,679
um

3282
01:53:15,750 --> 01:53:13,199
uh just yesterday cbs covered this

3283
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:15,760
ufo store ufo business with the navy

3284
01:53:19,430 --> 01:53:16,560
pilots

3285
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:19,440
quite seriously i'm wondering if might

3286
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:20,960
be the time to revisit

3287
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:24,400
someone about um testing you and your

3288
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:24,960
medical

3289
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:28,000
issues and you know funding

3290
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:30,560
i guess a ufo friendly researcher or

3291
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:31,679
scientist to

3292
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:34,400
examine you because you seem to be a a

3293
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:35,599
very interesting

3294
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:38,320
um subject for the phenomena itself that

3295
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:39,119
keeps

3296
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:41,520
appearing around you and following you

3297
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:42,719
causing

3298
01:53:46,709 --> 01:53:45,520
bodily changes on you um i think you

3299
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:46,719
should be

3300
01:53:50,790 --> 01:53:49,119
studied what do you think all right i

3301
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,800
irene i'm sorry i'm going to have to cut

3302
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,560
this short we just have

3303
01:53:56,629 --> 01:53:54,480
we're allowed one more minute so we only

3304
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,639
have one minute uh damian if you can

3305
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:58,239
wrap that up we wanted this time thank

3306
01:54:01,990 --> 01:53:59,679
you so much yeah

3307
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:02,000
sure well i've had uh harvard medical

3308
01:54:05,669 --> 01:54:03,199
school contact me

3309
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:05,679
um apparently they found that in people

3310
01:54:09,830 --> 01:54:07,599
like for a study and apparently they

3311
01:54:12,470 --> 01:54:09,840
found in people like me who see

3312
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:12,480
multiple ufos over a lifetime that

3313
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:13,199
during

3314
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:16,880
mri tests or mri scans they found that

3315
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:19,679
part of our brains are lit up that are

3316
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:21,119
not lit up in

3317
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:23,440
i guess normal people's brains for some

3318
01:54:26,229 --> 01:54:24,639
reason

3319
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:26,239
and to be in this study you had to have

3320
01:54:29,350 --> 01:54:28,400
over 15 sightings have witnesses to all

3321
01:54:31,030 --> 01:54:29,360
those sightings

3322
01:54:33,270 --> 01:54:31,040
have video and photo evidence those

3323
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:33,280
sightings and some sort of physical

3324
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:34,560
evidence of some sort of physical

3325
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:36,400
contact with um whatever

3326
01:54:40,229 --> 01:54:39,199
these things are so um well i'm so sorry

3327
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:40,239
but we have to cut

3328
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:42,320
yeah we have to cut it short but damian

3329
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:44,159
i'm really sorry that we have to stop

3330
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,679
right now but thank you so much it's

3331
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:47,520
been a real pleasure

3332
01:54:49,990 --> 01:54:48,639
you're more than welcome thank you for

3333
01:54:51,350 --> 01:54:50,000
having me on the show and thank you for

3334
01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:51,360
your audience thank you thank you for

3335
01:54:54,709 --> 01:54:52,320
listening

3336
01:54:56,709 --> 01:54:54,719
you bet take care take care good luck

3337
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,719
with all the films

3338
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:58,639
all right so next week we have a really

3339
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:00,560
interesting show we have jack bushong

3340
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:04,080
um he has not been on any show he was a

3341
01:55:08,870 --> 01:55:07,760
faa um involved person with the ufo

3342
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:08,880
sighting he's going to be on

3343
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:11,840
and also ian rogers from up in canada

3344
01:55:14,390 --> 01:55:12,719
thank you everyone

3345
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:14,400
and remember to keep your eyes to the

3346
01:55:27,240 --> 01:55:17,930
sky we'll see you next week